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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    all your site does is reinforce what i have already written here; the Founding Fathers were generally Christian themselves, but of multiple sects, and some were Deists. the states themselves were generally beholden to various sects, and several actually had state churches or professions of Faith written into their Constitutions. the Founding Fathers had a nonaggression pact at the National Level; and States were free to choose as they preferred. they also generally assumed that the character of the nation would continue to be a Christian one, and assumed that this would form the basis for the protection of the hard-won freedoms of the American citizenry.

    your site seems mainly to argue that since they had a non-agression pact at the national level, that they obviously couldnt' have been Christian.

    i find it too difficult to construct a reply as ludicrous as that which you have offered, and so i give up the attempt.
    The important thing to note is that the founder's religion isn't even important. Our laws are not based on christian values, the only example anyone has given are the commandments and saying that our laws are based on the ten commandments is so stupid it's unreal. I will say again, religion has no place in politics, and I would even go so far as to say that it has no place at all.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    The US was founded on Judeo-Christian values and morals. However, we are NOT a Christian nation. There is a difference.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I would say its founded upon Christian beliefs. But not the religion.
    federally that is true



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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The US was founded on Judeo-Christian values and morals. However, we are NOT a Christian nation. There is a difference.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    admittedly copying and pasting from an earlier post:

    it is worth noting that there are some simply amazing parts of the Bible that seem downright eerie given the current modern scientific understanding of the universe. most creation myths involve anthromorphic solar bodies (the sun and the moon hook up and have a baby earth), or something similarly creative - as i recall the Sumerians thought we were living on the body of a dead god. peruse the creation myths of various cultures if you like, you'll find either similar items or variations of steady state assumptions. the creation account in Genesis is unique in that it parallels the scientific account. Science teaches us that first there was not simply 'nothing' but 'no-thing'; not even the possibility of a thing because there was no time nor space for it to be in; and then there was a massive explosion of energy-light. that then the energy solidified and became stars, that the earth was formed, that it was covered in water for some time, that the landmasses formed, that photosynthentic life formed, followed by animal life, followed by the development of eyesight, followed by an explosion in the number and diversity in water-based life forms (cambrian, as i recall), followed by the development of land animals, followed by the development of man, who lived in a natural state for a period of time before developing what we call civilization. Genesis tells us that first there was nothing. then there was an explosion of light followed by the development of the stars and earth, which was covered in water for a time, developed land masses, saw the introduction of photosynthetic life, followed by the development of animal life, followed by the development of the ability to discern night from day (gee, sounds like developing eyesight), followed by the explosion of water-based lifeforms some of which (the bible tells us and science confirms) were huge, followed by the development of land animals, followed by the development of man, who lived in a natural state for a while before developing civilization.

    and i'm expected to believe that the author of Genesis got lucky?
    Actually, you are vastly overgeneralizing much of Genesis and not correct in other aspects. The first line in Genesis reads that God made the heavens and earth. Then it goes on to say that the world was dark but that there were oceans, yet no sky. I'm pretty sure that the sun was there before there was water on Earth. Also, it describes the moon as a lesser light, yet we know that the moon doesn't actually create light of its own, but rather reflects the light of the sun. The stars, according to the Bible, were placed there for us.

    I just read the first page of Genesis, the creation. It doesn't say anything about a big-bang like event. In fact, according to what I just read, the Earth was there with water before the sun shown on the Earth to create the first day. That does not fit in with what you are describing. In fact, it sounds quite egotistic of us to assume that God made everything just for us.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    May Allah praise you and may your name be blessed among the faithful
    I thought it already was.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I thought it already was.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by turtledude View Post
    only among the shiites
    One stupid letter and I'd have everything I always wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    Wow you found a quote, I can do that too.
    Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians a website full of them with information and sources. Long and short, I don't want to know the religion of someone running for public office and religion has no place in politics, this was the view of the founders, this is the view of people who think freely.
    In a way you admit that your sources are rather limiting. Aside from the fact that some of those individuals were more supporting of religion than the website gives off, quoting less than a dozen men does injustice to the wide variety of religious viewpoints they held. My own relatives, one being a signer of the Declaration of Independence, his son serving as a cabinet member of the Washington and Adams' administration were quite prideful of their Christian sect. The former admitted that he did not want religious tests being performed for government office, but believed optimistically that liberty in the land was so prevalent that they did not need the outright declaration of no religious tests. Nonetheless, he thus supported the measure anyhow.

    Here is one of his writings.

    "Through various scenes of life, God has sustained me. May He ever be my unfailing friend; may His love cherish my soul; may my heart with gratitude acknowledge His goodness; and may my desires be to Him and to the rememberence of His name … May we then turn our eyes to the bright objects above, and may God give us strength to travel the upward road. May the Divine Redeemer conduct us to that seat of bliss which He himself has prepared for His friends; at the approach of which every sorrow shall vanish from the human heart and endless scenes of glory open upon the enraptured eye. There our love to God and each other will grow stronger, and our pleasures never be dampened by the fear of future separation. How indifferent will it then be to us whether we obtained felicity by travailing the thorny or the agreeable paths of life – whether we arrived at our rest by passing through the envied and unfragrant road of greatness or sustained hardship and unmerited reproach in our journey. God’s Providence and support through the perilous and perplexing labyrinths of human life will then forever excite our astonishment and love. May a happiness be granted to those I most tenderly love, which shall continue and increase through an endless existence. Your cares and burdens must be many and great, but put your trust in that God Who has hitherto supported you and me; He will not fail to take care of those who put their trust in Him … It is most evident that this land is under the protection of the Almighty, and that we shall be saved not by our wisdom nor by our might, but by the Lord of Host’s Who is wonderful in counsel and Almighty in all His operations.” – Oliver Wolcott – Letters of Delegates to Congress: January 1, 1776 – May 15, 1776, Paul H. Smith, editor (Washington D.C.: Library of Congress, 1978), Vol. 3, pp. 502-503, Oliver Wolcott to Laura Wolcott on April 10, 1776.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    The important thing to note is that the founder's religion isn't even important.
    and so you beat a retreat. the Founders repeatedly claimed that religious values were - in fact - the cornerstone of the nation they were trying to build. even Franklin (self-professed Deist) said that having a bible in every home was a necessary defense against tyranny.

    Our laws are not based on christian values, the only example anyone has given are the commandments and saying that our laws are based on the ten commandments is so stupid it's unreal.
    i would again give you John Adams: Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    I will say again, religion has no place in politics, and I would even go so far as to say that it has no place at all.
    the founding fathers disagreed.

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