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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Nah.
    US is a secular country, founded on a church and state separation.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Our rights do come from God, they are enshrined in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence because the founders believed God created all men equally.
    No, they come from the beliefs of man that the founding fathers mistakenly accredited to God. None of the founding fathers claimed to have actually spoke to God, therefore, any ideas they had were either original ideas from them or they were ideas that other people wrote down or employed that our founding fathers found beneficial. It is possible that God inspired all these, but cannot be proven.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And, we have realized that we cannot operate well as a country with 50 separate nations inside it.
    which isn't what the founders set up, so i'm not really sure why you bring that up.

    Which is why we now have a stronger federal government than state governments.
    what? the replacement of dual federalism with cooperative federalism had literally nothing to do with issues stemming from state sovereignty.

    The founding fathers had very little way to predict that people would be able to move from one state to another in less than a day, nor could they have predicted that we might be able to conduct business effectively and quite often between states almost instantaneously. We are not living in the world of our founding fathers.
    a meaningless phrase. how, exactly, does the development of electronic communication negate need to balance one power against another?

    And I do believe that they meant for those individual freedoms that they put into the Bill of Rights to be more important than states' rights.
    fascinating. then why did they specifically subordinate those individual rights to states rights? the Founding Fathers even held that States had the right to limit speech as they so chose.

    remember, you are forgeting that the Founding Fathers saw the States as the natural protectors of individual rights against the Federal government.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Nah.
    US is a secular country, founded on a church and state separation.
    No, founded with church and state separation to prevent a theocracy and ensure that people can retain their religious freedoms without a state church or an oppressive secular government from telling them they can't believe/practice freely. Many of the founders saw the damage that state churches brought to religious freedom, many of the pilgrims came to America to flee religious persecution in Europe for not adhering to the state church (Catholic, Anglican, etc.)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, they come from the beliefs of man that the founding fathers mistakenly accredited to God. None of the founding fathers claimed to have actually spoke to God, therefore, any ideas they had were either original ideas from them or they were ideas that other people wrote down or employed that our founding fathers found beneficial. It is possible that God inspired all these, but cannot be proven.
    Incorrect. They believed in God, they believed God created men equally and with rights. They didn't have to say "God told me to do this personally" in order to believe that our rights came from God. It can be proven that God inspired these as the Creator is mentioned specifically as the one who makes men equal and gives us our rights.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    None of the founding fathers claimed to have actually spoke to God
    this also is inaccurate.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Incorrect. They believed in God, they believed God created men equally and with rights. They didn't have to say "God told me to do this personally" in order to believe that our rights came from God. It can be proven that God inspired these as the Creator is mentioned specifically as the one who makes men equal and gives us our rights.

    exactly. it was this critical sourcing that made these rights 'inalienable'. what God has given you, no man may take away. what man has given you he can take away just as easily. to say that our rights come from man is to say that we don't really have rights at all, we have preferences and temporary liberties.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, founded with church and state separation to prevent a theocracy and ensure that people can retain their religious freedoms without a state church or an oppressive secular government from telling them they can't believe/practice freely. Many of the founders saw the damage that state churches brought to religious freedom, many of the pilgrims came to America to flee religious persecution in Europe for not adhering to the state church (Catholic, Anglican, etc.)
    Spin it however you want. It's not my problem on how US chooses to describe itself.

    Imo tho, it is not a Christian country or founded on it. No way near infact.
    If one wants to get technical and see what is a 'Christian country'. Look at Europe


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Spin it however you want. It's not my problem on how US chooses to describe itself.

    Imo tho, it is not a Christian country or founded on it. No way near infact.
    If one wants to get technical and see what is a 'Christian country'. Look at Europe
    Europe isn't Christian. Europe is neither fish nor fowl. Europe is alone.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Incorrect. They believed in God, they believed God created men equally and with rights. They didn't have to say "God told me to do this personally" in order to believe that our rights came from God. It can be proven that God inspired these as the Creator is mentioned specifically as the one who makes men equal and gives us our rights.
    No, we cannot prove that God talks to anyone, therefore, you cannot prove that God inspired men to do anything nor can it be proven that God made us equal (which wasn't even truly believed since the definition of "men" has been expanded since then to include some who many of those founders didn't consider equal) or gave us any rights. You can believe that God talks to you and/or talked to someone in the past, but that doesn't prove that it is true. It is possible but cannot be proven (not at this time). Plus, many of the ideas that went into our founding as a nation were already established, just not put into practice altogether.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, we cannot prove that God talks to anyone, therefore, you cannot prove that God inspired men to do anything nor can it be proven that God made us equal (which wasn't even truly believed since the definition of "men" has been expanded since then to include some who many of those founders didn't consider equal) or gave us any rights.
    pshaw, this is an easy game. i can't prove that you aren't an Iranian agent attempting to weaken the moral fabric of American society through continuing the disconnect between our public life and our faith and so therefore you are.

    if the Founding Fathers claimed to be led by God, you have to accept that at face value, or just toss out nearly everything we know about reality. :sorry:

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