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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    I honestly don't know the true answer to this, but I do believe that most of our founding fathers didn't want this to be a Christian nation. If they had wanted this, I don't see why they didn't put something to that affect in the Constitution. (And, no, I don't believe that references to God in any government document prove that they wanted religion to be part of our government, but rather that is the only thing they knew at the time, for the most part.)

    What I do know is that in the last 200 years we have advanced our own knowledge and learned many things, including a lot about biology and human behavior that they didn't. Then, a country ruled by its people was a new concept, rarely, if ever, done to the extent that they took it. They incorporated as many concepts about individual freedoms and how to protect them and trying to ensure that the people would be the ones to rule their leaders as they knew and could get support for at that time. Now, such a concept is considered completely normal and it is the goal of many countries to attain this state, most countries that aren't "third world countries" with a few exceptions. And we have come to realize through those 2+ centuries that there are even more ways to attain individual freedoms and to ensure that everyone's views are able to be expressed while still trying to ensure that everyone is treated fairly. The system doesn't always work, and there certainly are going to be times when individual freedoms clash, with others and/or with what the government feels they must do, but that is no reason to allow what direction the founding fathers might have wanted this country to go in (although, it is most likely that none of them agreed completely on this anyway) but didn't include into the Constitution, to dictate where we should take this country. Some of the things that it is obvious that the founding fathers did agree on was individual freedom to the extent that it doesn't violate another person's is important, which is exemplified in the Bill of Rights.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    most folks here are making the mistake we do in most politics today; assuming that the nature of the entire country is to be determined at the Federal Level.

    Generally Speaking, the Founders were very open to a public acknowledgement of the divine in general and Christianity in particular. the day after passing the first amendment, Congress declared a national day of prayer. obviously they didn't intend the government to extend a secularist/athiest approach. they were also quite tolerant (as scourge points out) of State churches or religous boundaries; the first amendment was more of a non-aggression pact between the sects that dominated the various states than it was an actual comment on the ability of the American people to express their faith through their government.

    which is the direction that they saw this working in. everyone here focuses on top-down. "should the Federal government encourage 'faith', 'christianity', or 'secularism'" would be, to the Founders, an irrelevant question. the people of that era were (by our standards) intensely and widely religious, and the emergence of their belief system into our governance was a bottom-up phenomena. deToqueville, for example, noted the discrepency between public religion being the most important of our political institutions, and the widespread phenomena that religious leaders did not comment on specific political issues.



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    having the 10 Commandments on a porch step? the Founding Fathers likely would have been fine with that. having a large religious movement dedicated to a single political party? probably not.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Christian principals and philosophy were strongly influential in our nations creation. The vast majority of the population at the time of our creation was Christian as well. We were not founded "upon" Christianity in that the Bible is our Constitution, but Christian beliefs and philosophy were influential in our laws and rights. It is undeniable that the founders believed our rights came from God.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think the country was founded upon Christian morals and the rights we have are ours because the founders believed the Christian God gave them to us.
    Most of them who were religious were deists, and the country isn't based on christian morals at all. Most of the laws that coincide with the ten commandments are cultural universals and have been seen almost everywhere, but the first four would require a theocracy. You're wrong, organized has done more harm than good here and it doesn't appear that it will stop anytime soon.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I honestly don't know the true answer to this, but I do believe that most of our founding fathers didn't want this to be a Christian nation. If they had wanted this, I don't see why they didn't put something to that affect in the Constitution.
    they did at the State level. at the Federal level, however, there was need for an agreement that no one side would ever put the beliefs of their own State(s) into power over the others.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    Most of them who were religious were deists
    an interesting claim. the only self-proclaimed Deist i'm aware of among the Founding Fathers was Benjamin Franklin. Jefferson probably was as well intellectually, but he worshipped at Christian services, and certainly had no problem with public expressions of faith in the Divine.

    perhaps you could cite for us the numbers of this "majority" of Founding Fathers who were deists?

    as for this notion:
    the country isn't based on christian morals at all
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_H View Post
    Most of them who were religious were deists, and the country isn't based on christian morals at all. Most of the laws that coincide with the ten commandments are cultural universals and have been seen almost everywhere, but the first four would require a theocracy. You're wrong, organized has done more harm than good here and it doesn't appear that it will stop anytime soon.
    Most of them were Christian. Our first president was very religious. Our rights come from God according to the founders. Our moral code is similar to Judeo-Christian ethics. You are wrong. You cannot deny that the founders and vast majority of the population was Christian, that our rights don't come from God according to the founders, and that Christian thinking and philosophy played a major role in our nation's creation. We are not a theocracy, I specifically said that we are not founded "upon" Christianity. However, Christians and Christian thinking heavily influenced our laws and creation of our nation.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Most of them were Christian. Our first president was very religious. Our rights come from God according to the founders. Our moral code is similar to Judeo-Christian ethics. You are wrong. You cannot deny that the founders and vast majority of the population was Christian, that our rights don't come from God according to the founders, and that Christian thinking and philosophy played a major role in our nation's creation. We are not a theocracy, I specifically said that we are not founded "upon" Christianity. However, Christians and Christian thinking heavily influenced our laws and creation of our nation.
    our rights did not come from god, depsite what our founders might have believed. if they did, then every person on earth has the same rights, and who are we to deny them those rights? our "rights" were constructed by US.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they did at the State level. at the Federal level, however, there was need for an agreement that no one side would ever put the beliefs of their own State(s) into power over the others.
    And, we have realized that we cannot operate well as a country with 50 separate nations inside it. Which is why we now have a stronger federal government than state governments. The founding fathers had very little way to predict that people would be able to move from one state to another in less than a day, nor could they have predicted that we might be able to conduct business effectively and quite often between states almost instantaneously. We are not living in the world of our founding fathers. And I do believe that they meant for those individual freedoms that they put into the Bill of Rights to be more important than states' rights.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    our rights did not come from god, depsite what our founders might have believed. if they did, then every person on earth has the same rights, and who are we to deny them those rights? our "rights" were constructed by US.
    Our rights do come from God, they are enshrined in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence because the founders believed God created all men equally.
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