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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?Interesting

    Interesting tidbit I just found....

    In 1800 Congress authorized for the Capitol Building to be used for Sunday morning church services. By 1867, it was the largest church gathering in Washington D.C. with about 2,000 people a week.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    For real! I already told em to read the Federalist Papers. Honestly some are blinded by dogma
    Most of us have, and it does not change the fact (as I pointed out) the vast majority were Christian. Honestly some are blinded their own ignorance of history.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Our system of government was patterned after the Roman system of government that was developed when Rome was Pagan. And the Greeks contributed alot too with their notions of democracy that again were developed when the majority were Pagan in religion.
    ........and?

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    I would say its founded upon Christian beliefs. But not the religion.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    The USA was founded on the enlightenment beliefs of freedom and reason, neither being attributes of religion then or now.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The USA was founded on the enlightenment beliefs of freedom and reason, neither being attributes of religion then or now.
    That sounds good to me
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Christians are not a tribe in the manner of Jews. You can't organize a national identity around Christianity. It is a theologically and morally invalid idea. A nation is one of the "kingdoms of the Earth" Jesus rejected in favor of the Kingdom of Heaven. You can't realize the ideals of Christianity in economic, military, or political systems. Nations are about mastering the material world through force and strategic manipulation. Christianity gets around that problem through spiritual transcendence -- a lack of dependence on mastery of one's material circumstances. Nations and spiritual transcendence are juxtaposed forces.

    Most of the Founding Fathers were self-identified Christians. Some of them weren't. The ones who weren't had varying degrees of positivity toward the religion. A very tiny minority were 'overtly' atheist (Thomas Paine being the one who comes to mind). Some of the original colonies self-identified as one denomination of Christianity or another, but these identifications eroded over time. The federal government was forbidden from promoting a state religion of its own, but it could not stop the state governments from doing so until the Equal Rights Amendment was passed, by which time it was a moot point because states had mostly stopped identifying with particular denominations of Christianity and did not bother to develop themselves into "generally Christian" states.

    The idea the United States is a Christian nation is a modern revival, because most people of that caste in earlier centuries tended to think of the "theocratic" character of their governments in terms of their native states, not the nation as a whole. You might still encounter that sentiment in parts of Utah, for example, which is heavily Mormon.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I hear all the time that "this is a Christian Nation". Do you think this is so.

    I am going to go ahead and say anyone who truly thinks this country was meant to be a Christian nation is a complete moron. The founding fathers were secularist, there is some evidence indicating Thomas Jefferson was at least agnostic.

    " The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." -Thomas Jefferson
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The USA was founded on the enlightenment beliefs of freedom and reason, neither being attributes of religion then or now.
    In fact, the country was founded on the idea of religious freedom, they came here specifically to get away from religious oppression. It isn't Christianity that we were founded upon, but freedom of religion, or to be free of religion.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    In fact, the country was founded on the idea of religious freedom, they came here specifically to get away from religious oppression. It isn't Christianity that we were founded upon, but freedom of religion, or to be free of religion.
    The thing is that its not as though the early settlers and founders didn't think their religion and beliefs were correct. In fact many states has declared religions and persecuted christians of other sects, banishing and even executing "false believers". The problem was that the states all wanted a federal government but did not want someone else's religion gaining control over it. Thus, the "separation of church and state" idea was implemented. Even then, some states continued to have official christian religions but these declined after some time.
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