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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    If you really don't think the founding fathers thought religion was bad then you are a moron..here is another gem from Jefferson, maybe it will clear some things up when I say they were against religion.

    "I have examined all the known superstitions of the Word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world ...

    The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind ... to filch wealth and power to themselves. [They], in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Mellie, you understand that there is a difference between founding fathers espousing personal beliefs, and founding the nation's governance on their personal beliefs, right?

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Mellie, you understand that there is a difference between founding fathers espousing personal beliefs, and founding the nation's governance on their personal beliefs, right?
    that is exactly what I was getting at...Not to mention you don't have to be a member of religion to believe in something. Many of the founding fathers realize religion was a bad thing, that didn't mean they didn't believe in god, just that they realized how perverted religion really is.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Mellie really needs to stop relying on David Barton to compile her lists of quotes, btw.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Mellie, you understand that there is a difference between founding fathers espousing personal beliefs, and founding the nation's governance on their personal beliefs, right?
    I've already answered that question. And I would gladly listen to you refute anything that I posted which might be fairly difficult since all the sourcing is right there.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Actually, it could be argued that our founding fathers were in rebellion against God. After all, in Romans 13: 1, Paul makes it very clear that " Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

    Clearly, our leaders weren't really Christians, or they'd have remained loyal subjects to their annointed ruler, King George 3 of England.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    that is exactly what I was getting at...Not to mention you don't have to be a member of religion to believe in something. Many of the founding fathers realize religion was a bad thing, that didn't mean they didn't believe in god, just that they realized how perverted religion really is.
    Did you read the quotes? Comments?


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, it could be argued that our founding fathers were in rebellion against God. After all, in Romans 13: 1, Paul makes it very clear that " Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

    Clearly, our leaders weren't really Christians, or they'd have remained loyal subjects to their annointed ruler, King George 3 of England.
    Look at her spin! Weeeeee!


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think the country was founded as a secular country, but with a strong christian influence. The question does not lend itself well to a simple yes or no answer. To deny the christian influence is to deny reality, but to say the country was founded as a christian country is equally false.
    I couldn't put it much better than that.

    I've seen one Jefferson quote. There are many other Founder quotes that indicate a respect for Christianity. Some of them were Christian, some were Deists, some may have been agnostic. I've read many of their writings, journals and letters; clearly they understood that Christianity was an essential part of the social fabric of the nation, even though the government was instituted without an official religion.

    Depending on what poll you believe, somewhere between 70 and 80 percent of Americans self-identify as Christian, though perhaps around a third of them are "non practicing" depending on your definitions.

    I think it is therefore reasonable to say that our society is majority-Christian by a large margin, even though our government is officially secular. However, to pretend that this does not or should not have any political ramifications is either naive or disingenuous. The beliefs of the majority always play a role in politics.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, it could be argued that our founding fathers were in rebellion against God. After all, in Romans 13: 1, Paul makes it very clear that " Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

    Clearly, our leaders weren't really Christians, or they'd have remained loyal subjects to their annointed ruler, King George 3 of England.

    This is an intresting topic which I have thought rather extensively on at times.

    Now here is the question.... the same text also teaches that all temporal authority is, in some sense, instituted by God. Does the fact that the Revolution was successful and created a new temporal authority prove, after the fact, that God willed the Colonies to become a seperate nation? That the establishment of same has the Divine stamp of approval, because it was successful and has remained so for centuries?

    Perhaps. If that is not so, then rebelling against the current government would be no sin, since they would be illegitimate in the Divine sight. Ooops, now we're getting complicated!

    I find a Shakespere quote apropos about now: "Treason doth never prosper. Why doth it never prosper? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

    Intrestingly enough, most of the colonial clergy supported the Revolution and many fought in it.

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