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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    they're called jews
    And Jehovah's Witnesses.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I'm a Christian and I don't think I believe in the Trinity of the deity of Christ. Thomas Jefferson calls himself a Christian. "Deist" would be the proper term, I assume, but I still call myself a Christian and so did TJ.
    No Thomas Jefferson did not call himself a Christian, neither did Benjamin Franklin. You also left out the fact they did not believe in the divinity of Jesus. If you do not believe that and don't accept Christ as your savior, you cannot be a Christian by the definition.

    Not knowing if you accept the trinity and speaking actively against it are two very different things.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    You clearly said the majority were not Christians. That's completely untrue. And there were more Founding Fathers than just Franklin, Washington, Adams and Jefferson.
    Yes i know! i already admitmented to Blackdog that i was wrong about the majority thing. I am only stating now that Jefferson , Franklin, and Paine were not Christians.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Both Franklin and Jefferson follow Christ's teachings. They might not have believed in his divinity (and, frankly, I don't know if I do either). There are segments of the Christian community that do not believe that Christ = God.
    And they are not considered Christians.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No Thomas Jefferson did not call himself a Christian, neither did Benjamin Franklin. You also left out the fact they did not believe in the divinity of Jesus. If you do not believe that and don't accept Christ as your savior, you cannot be a Christian by the definition.

    Not knowing if you accept the trinity and speaking actively against it are two very different things.
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    I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others. -- Thomas Jefferson, Memoir, Correspondence, and Miscellanies from the Papers of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, editor (Boston: Grey & Bowen, 1830), Vol. III, p. 506, to Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803

    I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. -- Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D.C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIV, p. 385, to Charles Thomson on January 9, 1816
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Resist the gov. View Post
    Yes i know! i already admitmented to Blackdog that i was wrong about the majority thing. I am only stating now that Jefferson , Franklin, and Paine were not Christians.
    Good. I'm glad you know now that that's not the majority of the Founders. :P


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And they are not considered Christians.
    You don't think JWs are Christians?


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Both Franklin and Jefferson follow Christ's teachings. They might not have believed in his divinity (and, frankly, I don't know if I do either). There are segments of the Christian community that do not believe that Christ = God.
    Franklin stated he was a deist. Jefferson ridiculed Jesus' divinity, said it was a fabrication of the clergy.

    Jefferson (and Franklin) did not necessarily 'follow' Jesus' teachings, but said he respected his philosophy.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Thomas Jefferson ....
    I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others. --66. Thomas Jefferson, Memoir, Correspondence, and Miscellanies from the Papers of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, editor (Boston: Grey & Bowen, 1830), Vol. III, p. 506, to Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803

    I am a real Christian that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. -- Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D.C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIV, p. 385, to Charles Thomson on January 9, 1816
    "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever: But the word of the Lord endures for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached to you."(1 Peter 1:23,25)

    "So then faith [comes] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."(Romans 10:17)

    "And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said to him [Jesus], Blessed [is] the womb that bare you, and the paps which you have sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it."(Luke 11:27,28)

    "For this cause also we thank God without ceasing, because, when you received the word of God which you heard of us, you received [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually works also in you that believe."(1 Thessalonians 2:13)


    So those who would call themselves Christians should receive the words of the Bible to be "by inspiration of God," and not as words of man. Here is what the Bible says about itself:

    "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"(2 Timothy 3:16)

    He was not in any way a Christian according to the Bible and gospel he decided to rewrite.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    You don't think JWs are Christians?
    They are not. Never have been and never will be.

    The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. This alone makes it non-Christian. To support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness theology), has even altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings. - http://www.carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-...gion-christian
    Last edited by Black Dog; 07-04-10 at 02:23 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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