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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And you would be wrong...

    Religious Affiliation of the Delegates to the
    Constitutional Convention of 1787, including the
    Signers of the Constitution of the United States of America


    Daniel Carroll Maryland Catholic
    Thomas Fitzsimons Pennsylvania Catholic
    Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
    Nathaniel Gorham Massachusetts Congregationalist
    John Langdon New Hampshire Congregationalist
    Nicholas Gilman New Hampshire Congregationalist
    Abraham Baldwin Georgia Congregationalist; Episcopalian
    William Samuel Johnson Connecticut Episcopalian; Presbyterian
    James Madison Jr. Virginia Episcopalian
    George Read Delaware Episcopalian
    Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer Maryland Episcopalian
    David Brearly New Jersey Episcopalian
    Richard Dobbs Spaight, Sr. North Carolina Episcopalian
    Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
    Gouverneur Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
    John Rutledge South Carolina Episcopalian
    Charles Cotesworth Pinckney South Carolina Episcopalian
    Charles Pinckney South Carolina Episcopalian
    Pierce Butler South Carolina Episcopalian
    George Washington Virginia Episcopalian
    Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania Episcopalian (Deist)
    William Blount North Carolina Episcopalian; Presbyterian
    James Wilson Pennsylvania Episcopalian; Presbyteran
    Rufus King Massachusetts Episcopalian; Congregationalist
    Jacob Broom Delaware Lutheran
    William Few Georgia Methodist
    Richard Bassett Delaware Methodist
    Gunning Bedford Jr. Delaware Presbyterian
    James McHenry Maryland Presbyterian
    William Livingston New Jersey Presbyterian
    William Paterson New Jersey Presbyterian
    Hugh Williamson North Carolina Presbyterian
    Jared Ingersoll Pennsylvania Presbyterian
    Alexander Hamilton New York Huguenot; Presbyterian; Episcopalian
    Jonathan Dayton New Jersey Presbyterian; Episcopalian
    John Blair Virginia Presbyterian; Episcopalian
    John Dickinson Delaware Quaker; Episcopalian
    George Clymer Pennsylvania Quaker; Episcopalian
    Thomas Mifflin Pennsylvania Quaker; Lutheran


    Name of Non-Signing Delegate State Religious Affiliation

    Oliver Ellsworth Connecticut Congregationalist
    Caleb Strong Massachusetts Congregationalist
    John Lansing, Jr. New York Dutch Reformed
    Robert Yates New York Dutch Reformed
    William Houstoun Georgia Episcopalian
    William Leigh Pierce Georgia Episcopalian
    Luther Martin Maryland Episcopalian
    John F. Mercer Maryland Episcopalian
    Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian
    George Mason Virginia Episcopalian
    Edmund J. Randolph Virginia Episcopalian
    George Wythe Virginia Episcopalian
    James McClurg Virginia Presbyterian
    William C. Houston New Jersey Presbyterian
    William R. Davie North Carolina Presbyterian
    Alexander Martin North Carolina Presbyterian
    - Religion of the Founding Fathers of America
    Kudos sir i retrack my prevous statement..failure on my part for not reaserching it enough.
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    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. " -Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Resist the gov. View Post
    It came from the fact that Jefferson, Paine, and Franklin were not Christians and i wouldnt classify it soley as a myth since there is some truth in it.
    Their is no truth to it as I have shown, none at all. The vast majority were indeed Christian.

    All people have to do is actually look at history and not just assume based on the views of a vocal minority.

    I understand though, I have made some bad claims on limited info myself, lol!
    Last edited by Black Dog; 07-04-10 at 01:54 AM.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Resist the gov. View Post
    It came from the fact that Jefferson, Paine, and Franklin were not Christians and i wouldnt classify it soley as a myth since there is some truth in it.
    There is absolutely no truth in "the majority of our Founders weren't Christians".

    And...

    Thomas Jefferson


    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; DIPLOMAT; GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA; SECRETARY OF STATE; THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

    The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.64

    The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.65

    I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.66

    I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.67


    Benjamin Franklin


    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION; DIPLOMAT; PRINTER; SCIENTIST; SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA

    As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.30

    The body of Benjamin Franklin, printer, like the cover of an old book, its contents torn out and stripped of its lettering and guilding, lies here, food for worms. Yet the work itself shall not be lost; for it will, as he believed, appear once more in a new and more beatiful edition, corrected and amended by the Author.31 (FRANKLIN’S EULOGY THAT HE WROTE FOR HIMSELF)

    Thomas Paine, I believe, was actually an atheist.

    I don't know any other founder that wasn't deeply religious.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    There is absolutely no truth in "the majority of our Founders weren't Christians".

    And...

    Thomas Jefferson


    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; DIPLOMAT; GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA; SECRETARY OF STATE; THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

    The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.64

    The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.65

    I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.66

    I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.67


    Benjamin Franklin


    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION; DIPLOMAT; PRINTER; SCIENTIST; SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA

    As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.30

    The body of Benjamin Franklin, printer, like the cover of an old book, its contents torn out and stripped of its lettering and guilding, lies here, food for worms. Yet the work itself shall not be lost; for it will, as he believed, appear once more in a new and more beatiful edition, corrected and amended by the Author.31 (FRANKLIN’S EULOGY THAT HE WROTE FOR HIMSELF)

    Thomas Paine, I believe, was actually an atheist.

    I don't know any other founder that wasn't deeply religious.
    Just because they respected the moral teachings of Jesus, does not make them Christians. They did not believe in the divinity of Christ, or the Trinity. Without that, they are not Christian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Their is no truth to it as I have shown, none at all. The vast majority were indeed Christian.

    All people have to do is actually look at history and not just assume based on the views of a vocal minority.

    I understand though, I have made some bad claims on limited info myself, lol!
    im not saying that all of them were not Christians you already proved me wrong and your data states that Franklin was a Deist.
    " Those who plan to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. " -Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Both Franklin and Jefferson follow Christ's teachings. They might not have believed in his divinity (and, frankly, I don't know if I do either). There are segments of the Christian community that do not believe that Christ = God.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Just because they respected the moral teachings of Jesus, does not make them Christians. They did not believe in the divinity of Christ, or the Trinity. Without that, they are not Christian.
    I'm a Christian and I don't think I believe in the Trinity or the deity of Christ. Thomas Jefferson calls himself a Christian. "Deist" would be the proper term, I assume, but I still call myself a Christian and so did TJ.
    Last edited by Josie; 07-04-10 at 02:04 AM.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    There are segments of the Christian community that do not believe that Christ = God.
    they're called jews
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    There is absolutely no truth in "the majority of our Founders weren't Christians".

    And...

    Thomas Jefferson


    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; DIPLOMAT; GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA; SECRETARY OF STATE; THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

    The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.64

    The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.65

    I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.66

    I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.67


    Benjamin Franklin


    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION; DIPLOMAT; PRINTER; SCIENTIST; SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA

    As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.30

    The body of Benjamin Franklin, printer, like the cover of an old book, its contents torn out and stripped of its lettering and guilding, lies here, food for worms. Yet the work itself shall not be lost; for it will, as he believed, appear once more in a new and more beatiful edition, corrected and amended by the Author.31 (FRANKLIN’S EULOGY THAT HE WROTE FOR HIMSELF)

    Thomas Paine, I believe, was actually an atheist.

    I don't know any other founder that wasn't deeply religious.
    maybe you should look at this Thomas Jefferson quotes and if you have ever read the " Age of Reason" you will see that Paine was in fact a Deist.
    " Those who plan to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it" - Thomas Paine
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. " -Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Resist the gov. View Post
    im not saying that all of them were not Christians you already proved me wrong and your data states that Franklin was a Deist.
    You clearly said the majority were not Christians. That's completely untrue. And there were more Founding Fathers than just Franklin, Washington, Adams and Jefferson.


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