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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And that common practice was common among the Christians who dated thing in the Year of their Lord: Jesus.
    It was common among EVERYONE, just like referring to Odin on Wednesday is common to you, in spite of your Christian faith. Please stop being ridiculous.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    I consider America to be founded with Christian values, but not with religious Christians. Come to think of it, all four major religions, (Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity) all share similar values about respecting life, living a good life, things like that. I wouldn't be surprised if God, Allah, Buddha were the same immortal person and had 4 prophets who spread their own views about him/her. Anyway, America was founded with religious values
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It was common among EVERYONE, just like referring to Odin on Wednesday is common to you, in spite of your Christian faith. Please stop being ridiculous.
    It was a common Christian practice The phrase exalts Jesus as their Lord. If they were truly secular and non Christian I doubt they would have done that.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It was a common Christian practice The phrase exalts Jesus as their Lord. If they were truly secular and non Christian I doubt they would have done that.
    Do you realize how weak your argument is at this point? That is the ONLY basis you have for claiming that the constitution endorses and is influenced by Christianity, the manner in which the date is written. This stands, of course, in opposition to the specific clauses in the constitution which address this topic in no uncertain terms.

    I'm sorry that your paradigms on this issue have overruled your normal good sense.

    You've also created a strawman. I'm not arguing that the majority of founding fathers weren't Christians. I'm arguing that the constitution, in spite of this, is a secular document that does not endorse or enshrine religious belief. Do you want to argue the topic, or do you prefer to just graciously resign the discussion at this point?
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It was a common Christian practice The phrase exalts Jesus as their Lord. If they were truly secular and non Christian I doubt they would have done that.
    Are you paying homage to Odin when you use the word Wednesday?

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It was a common Christian practice The phrase exalts Jesus as their Lord. If they were truly secular and non Christian I doubt they would have done that.
    It doesn't matter what it was. It wasn't the same thing 1000 years later, it's notation and nothing more. I can use AD as much as I like to mark a year without involking any sort of god. AD is just notation now.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Do you realize how weak your argument is at this point? That is the ONLY basis you have for claiming that the constitution endorses and is influenced by Christianity, the manner in which the date is written. This stands, of course, in opposition to the specific clauses in the constitution which address this topic in no uncertain terms.

    I'm sorry that your paradigms on this issue have overruled your normal good sense.

    You've also created a strawman. I'm not arguing that the majority of founding fathers weren't Christians. I'm arguing that the constitution, in spite of this, is a secular document that does not endorse or enshrine religious belief. Do you want to argue the topic, or do you prefer to just graciously resign the discussion at this point?
    That isn't my only argument, that is the proof I gave of the Constitution mentioning Christian deity. If you look at the Declaration, the Constitution, the beliefs and quotes of the founding fathers, and the fact that our nation has its history rooted in fleeing religious persecution and the free practice of Christianity, then one can logically believe and know that this country was founded upon Christian beliefs and by Christian individuals.

    The Constitution sets up a democratic republic, not a theocracy. However, this democratic republic was guided, strongly influenced, and founded upon Christian beliefs and by Christians. Christianity influenced and was a major (not the only) foundation for this secular democracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are you paying homage to Odin when you use the word Wednesday?
    Nope, but I would be paying homage to God if I cited my dates with "in the year of my/our Lord." One can simply say the numbers correlating to the date if they chose to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It doesn't matter what it was. It wasn't the same thing 1000 years later, it's notation and nothing more. I can use AD as much as I like to mark a year without involking any sort of god. AD is just notation now.
    It was a formal declaration and dating style to uphold Jesus as Lord in His year. They had other formal dating phrases. If the Constitution was truly devoid of all things God and religious, I'm sure they would have picked or created a secular dating notation.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    That isn't my only argument, that is the proof I gave of the Constitution mentioning Christian deity. If you look at the Declaration, the Constitution, the beliefs and quotes of the founding fathers, and the fact that our nation has its history rooted in fleeing religious persecution and the free practice of Christianity, then one can logically believe and know that this country was founded upon Christian beliefs and by Christian individuals.
    Except that these beliefs are not reflected in our founding documents (aside from the date). There is no reference to Christianity, WHATSOEVER, in those documents, and this was a purposeful decision by the founding fathers, who debated this topic.

    The Constitution sets up a democratic republic, not a theocracy. However, this democratic republic was guided, strongly influenced, and founded upon Christian beliefs and by Christians.
    Really. What Christian beliefs provide the basis for the republic? You’re simply wrong. Christianity held that rebellion against a divinely appointed ruler was a sin. It was enlightenment doctrine that suggested that all men were entitled to liberty.

    You have fallen prey to the snake oil peddlers.

    Christianity influenced and was a major (not the only) foundation for this secular democracy.
    Please feel free to cite the specific sections of the constitution that were founded on Christian dogma.

    Nope, but I would be paying homage to God if I cited my dates with "in the year of my/our Lord."
    Arbitrary and false double standard.

    One can simply say the numbers correlating to the date if they chose to.
    But in that era, they did not.

    It was a formal declaration and dating style to uphold Jesus as Lord in His year.
    Please feel free to provide evidence that the founding fathers INTENTIONALLY CHOSE that system of dating to pay homage to god. A quote from any of them will be sufficient.

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    The US was founded a theocracy.
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