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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    But which God? They never say.
    They say Creator, and Natures God. This was written by Christians who capitalized the nouns indicating they are proper and not simply descriptive of the general idea of "god" or a "creator."

    WEAK SAUCE. And no, Jesus Christ is never named, and this does not construe religiousity.
    Jesus Christ is named. He is named and it is directly evident with "The Year of our Lord..." The A.D. system was based around Jesus' coming to earth. They recognize Jesus as Lord with that sentence.
    Or perhaps, all of the above. Since all claim to be creators. Zeus, maybe, too. The creator is scrupulously NOT identified by name.
    It doesn't matter. As I said. The constitution was written by Christians and the nouns capitalized to indicate a proper noun. We can logically believe that they were talking about the Christian God as 1) Christians wrote it. 2) The nouns are capitalized. 3) There is no wording that suggests they are talking about any other god from another religion. Taken by the facts of the founders' faiths and the citing of Jesus in the Constitution, we can logically believe that yes, the Christian God is mentioned.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They say Creator, and Natures God. This was written by Christians who capitalized the nouns indicating they are proper and not simply descriptive of the general idea of "god" or a "creator."


    Jesus Christ is named. He is named and it is directly evident with "The Year of our Lord..." The A.D. system was based around Jesus' coming to earth. They recognize Jesus as Lord with that sentence.

    It doesn't matter. As I said. The constitution was written by Christians and the nouns capitalized to indicate a proper noun. We can logically believe that they were talking about the Christian God as 1) Christians wrote it. 2) The nouns are capitalized. 3) There is no wording that suggests they are talking about any other god from another religion. Taken by the facts of the founders' faiths and the citing of Jesus in the Constitution, we can logically believe that yes, the Christian God is mentioned.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They say Creator, and Natures God. This was written by Christians who capitalized the nouns indicating they are proper and not simply descriptive of the general idea of "god" or a "creator."
    Who wrote the Declaration of Independence?

    Jesus Christ is named. He is named and it is directly evident with "The Year of our Lord..." The A.D. system was based around Jesus' coming to earth. They recognize Jesus as Lord with that sentence.
    That's really the best you can do here, isn't it? Well, thanks, Dave Barton, Jr., for your contribution to this thread.

    It doesn't matter. As I said. The constitution was written by Christians and the nouns capitalized to indicate a proper noun. We can logically believe that they were talking about the Christian God as 1) Christians wrote it. 2) The nouns are capitalized. 3) There is no wording that suggests they are talking about any other god from another religion. Taken by the facts of the founders' faiths and the citing of Jesus in the Constitution, we can logically believe that yes, the Christian God is mentioned.
    Who, specifically, wrote the constitution? Your lack of historical knowledge is appalling.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Are you basing your opinion on this painting, Digs?

    McNaughton Fine Art

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It doesn't matter. As I said. The constitution was written by Christians and the nouns capitalized to indicate a proper noun. We can logically believe that they were talking about the Christian God as 1) Christians wrote it. 2) The nouns are capitalized. 3) There is no wording that suggests they are talking about any other god from another religion. Taken by the facts of the founders' faiths and the citing of Jesus in the Constitution, we can logically believe that yes, the Christian God is mentioned.
    Jesus is not cited in the Constitution. The only references to religious gods (not standard temporal markers) was in the Declaration of Independence which was a propaganda piece to legitimize revolt against England. The use of gods in that was the same as many uses of gods before, to try to add "legitimacy" to a claim by saying there is some supernatural thing no one has ever seen which agrees with their position.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven
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    The founding fathers used the term September, which means 7th month, using the Gregorian calendar. So, when they dated the Declaration of Independence in July, does that mean that they were acknowledging Julius Caesar as a God?

    Your claim is simply ridiculous, though I've heard it before.

    Debunked here:

    Constitutional Topic: The Constitution and Religion - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Most of the founders were deists
    Absolutely incorrect as I've already shown here.

    But I would love for you to try to explain yourself. How many is "most" and who were they?


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
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    The founding fathers used the term September, which means 7th month, using the Gregorian calendar. So, when they dated the Declaration of Independence in July, does that mean that they were acknowledging Julius Caesar as a God?

    Your claim is simply ridiculous, though I've heard it before.

    Debunked here:

    Constitutional Topic: The Constitution and Religion - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
    Your stawman is invalid. The Year of our Lord was a common Christian dating term. It does not equate with using the month "September" in the calender. This is what your debunk said
    Finally, the Constitution refers to the year that the Convention created the document as "the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven." Some have argued that the use of the term "Lord" in this way is indicative of something, but it is indicative of nothing more than a standard way of referring to years in that time period.
    It's merely opinion and offers no refutation. The "Year of our Lord" directly reflects Jesus Christ.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's merely opinion and offers no refutation. The "Year of our Lord" directly reflects Jesus Christ.
    No, it's merely a naming convention. It may have at one time been based on what was believed to be the birth of Jesus; but that doesn't mean that whenever anyone uses it they are acknowledging Jesus. Else atheists couldn't use it at all. But we do, because it has become nothing more than a naming convention. July is named after Julius, August from Augustus, January for Janus, etc. Of course, historically that's what these things referenced. But when you use January, you aren't making claim to Janus. It's merely a naming convention; that's it. Nothing less, nothing more. You're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill in order to prove a point that doesn't exist.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Your stawman is invalid. The Year of our Lord was a common Christian dating term. .
    It was common in Europe of which most had state controlled religions.

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