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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    My primary sources are the words of the Founders. Surely you read the quotes and sources I gave? None of that was opinion from Barton. All of it was primary sourcing from the Founders.
    So you aren't quoting Barton on the Bible situation? Pay attention.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So you aren't quoting Barton on the Bible situation? Pay attention.
    Um, no. I'm quoting Aitken's letter to Congress and what Congress said in approving of the publishing of the Bible.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    FWIW, they were primarily concerned with a federal government free from the entanglements of religion.

    The Constitution did not prevent individual states from setting up or maintaining policies that favored an official state religion or required some sort of religious adherence.
    Indeed, but this was about the founding of the country right? I would take that to mean the Constitution and the federal government. Many of the States were left to do as they wanted, the Federal government wasn't to inject itself into it. Since the State governments are idealy more easily controlled than the federal government, more restrictions were originally placed on the federal government.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I think it's important to let the Founders speak in their own words. Sure, some really didn't like "church" as it were. Many Christians nowadays don't like organized religion either. That doesn't mean they don't believe in God or the divinity of Christ.
    Most of the Founders did believe in a god, (it wasn't even socially acceptable back then to say you didn't, and for that matter, the theory of evolution and the Big Bang didn't even exist yet, so there was little other alternative). But I've proven sufficiently that the US was in no way founded on fundamentalist Christianity, nor was it intented to be a theocracy. Heh, if that was what the Founders' wanted, then why did they break away from the British Empire - a Christian theocratic govt?

    And I'll research the other founders' you listed ASAP.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Um, no. I'm quoting Aitken's letter to Congress and what Congress said in approving of the publishing of the Bible.
    And that's why you felt it was necessary to reference David Barton 3 or 4 times in that context?



    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    pb, I read her article....I'm sure you can find it on her site....she doesn't "destroy" David Barton at all. She agrees that Congress approved the production of the Bible. Congress also knew it was being printed in order to use in schools.

    I assume you're talking about when Glenn and David showed the Bible and said, "Congress printed this Bible". Well, of course government didn't print the Bible. They misspoke there. They meant Congress APPROVED the printing. Glenn read it right off the page in the Bible. He shouldn't have said "Congress printed this Bible."

    I think she's grasping at straws in order to find just SOMETHING to complain about. And if you call that "destroying" David Barton....that's just ridiculous.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 06-28-10 at 04:13 PM.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Most of the Founders did believe in a god, (it wasn't even socially acceptable back then to say you didn't, and for that matter, the theory of evolution and the Big Bang didn't even exist yet, so there was little other alternative). But I've proven sufficiently that the US was in no way founded on fundamentalist Christianity, nor was it intented to be a theocracy. Heh, if that was what the Founders' wanted, then why did they break away from the British Empire - a Christian theocratic govt?

    And I'll research the other founders' you listed ASAP.
    Who is even saying it was intended to be a theocracy?


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Who is even saying it was intended to be a theocracy?
    David Barton. Your favorite source.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    David Barton. Your favorite source.
    I've never read that or heard him say that.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Some more about Barton, courtesy of Little Green Footballs, a rabidly leftist site:

    Little Green Footballs - Glenn Beck Promotes Theocracy and Interviews David Barton - Speaker at Neo-Nazi Rallies

    Responding to David Barton

    A baptist rebuffing of David Barton: http://candst.tripod.com/bjcpa1.htm

    There's a reason why Barton's bestselling book is entitled "The Myth of Separation." He's a Christian reconstructionist, who is selling an agenda of Christianizing our secular government. He's falsified quotes from founding fathers to that end, and he repeatedly and inaccurately spins history in order to promote his personal aims.

    Gullible sheep listen to him on Glenn Beck and don't do their own research.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_Barton

    But then, you and I have discussed this ad nauseum on the religion boards, haven't we?
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 06-28-10 at 04:22 PM.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Glenn Beck promotes theocracy? LOL!

    The title is already wrong, but I'll look at your little site.

    Edit: Huh? I see no quotes where David Barton says that our Founders wanted a theocracy.
    Last edited by Josie; 06-28-10 at 04:22 PM.


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