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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
    --Ben Franklin

    "Indeed, when religious people quarrel about religion, or hungry people quarrel about victuals, it looks as if they had not much of either among them."
    --Ben Franklin
    And this proves that he's a Deist how? All he is saying is that he doesn't attend church and he doesn't think people should argue about religion. ??? Are you seeing something I'm not?

    Here are some more for you:
    As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.30

    The body of Benjamin Franklin, printer, like the cover of an old book, its contents torn out and stripped of its lettering and guilding, lies here, food for worms. Yet the work itself shall not be lost; for it will, as he believed, appear once more in a new and more beatiful edition, corrected and amended by the Author.31 (FRANKLIN’S EULOGY THAT HE WROTE FOR HIMSELF)

    I suggest you read the quotes I posted on this thread around page 4ish. Don't rely upon what others say about the Founders. Read their words on your own. THINK on your own.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    It's not based in facts on record.
    And those facts would be.............?

    He said this: I think the country was founded upon Christian morals and the rights we have are ours because the founders believed the Christian God gave them to us.

    Please explain what is wrong with that statement and provide proof. Thank you.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    And this proves that he's a Deist how? All he is saying is that he doesn't attend church and he doesn't think people should argue about religion. ??? Are you seeing something I'm not?

    Here are some more for you:
    As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.30

    The body of Benjamin Franklin, printer, like the cover of an old book, its contents torn out and stripped of its lettering and guilding, lies here, food for worms. Yet the work itself shall not be lost; for it will, as he believed, appear once more in a new and more beatiful edition, corrected and amended by the Author.31 (FRANKLIN’S EULOGY THAT HE WROTE FOR HIMSELF)

    I suggest you read the quotes I posted on this thread around page 4ish. Don't rely upon what others say about the Founders. Read their words on your own. THINK on your own.
    He himself was more of a man who appreciated preachers who emphasized the work man can do themselves and for each other. He would listen to those preachers and contribute money to those whom he enjoyed, and would stop listening and contributing when the message was no longer in his favor. The metaphysical details were not what he cared for, but it was the message that was important to him. Thus, he could enjoy Christianity when it contributed to the well-being of the commonwealth.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    LOL! I don't read HuffPo articles. I agree that Congress didn't themselves PRINT the Bible. They APPROVED the Bible for the use in schools. Yes, for the use in schools. That's what Aitken was asking for in his petition (did you read the actual documents or just leftie opinions on the topic?). He specifically said he wanted to publish the Bible for SCHOOLS to use. Congress approved of it and recommended it.

    For Barton to be "destroyed" she would've had to have proved that Congress had nothing to do with this Bible. She didn't and she can't.
    That's not what the resolution said:
    Whereupon, Resolved, That the United States in Congress assembled, highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion as well as an instance of the progress of arts in this country, and being satisfied from the above report, of his care and accuracy in the execution of the work, they recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States, and hereby authorise him to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.(9)
    David Barton and his new buddy, Glenn Beck, are first class liiars.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    pb.....*SIGH*

    You don't seem to be listening to me. Aitken wrote in his petition letter to Congress that he wanted to publish the Bible TO USE IN SCHOOLS. FOR SCHOOLS. SCHOOLS. Should I say it again?

    Congress approved the printing of it and allowed him to do with it as he wanted. He wanted the schools to use it. They KNEW that! If they didn't approve of the use in schools, they wouldn't have approved it! It's not difficult to understand, really.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    And on the other hand people die in the name of religion daily. Guess it all evens out, huh?
    And how many people are not killed and don't die because they share a religion? Christians and Jews and Muslims are less likely to kill each other because they have something important in common.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    pb.....*SIGH*

    You don't seem to be listening to me. Aitken wrote in his petition letter to Congress that he wanted to publish the Bible TO USE IN SCHOOLS. FOR SCHOOLS. SCHOOLS. Should I say it again?

    Congress approved the printing of it and allowed him to do with it as he wanted. He wanted the schools to use it. They KNEW that! If they didn't approve of the use in schools, they wouldn't have approved it! It's not difficult to understand, really.
    You are wrong, all the resolution said that ot was accurate, but no funding was provided. The fact that put in his petition that it was for schools means NOTHING NADA ZILCH NIENTE NICHTS.
    Re the Aitken Bible issue itself, I have a few observations:

    1) the congressional resolution does not say anything about recommending them for schools, specifically (as Barton claims that it does on pg. 106 of The Myth of Separation and, I believe, in his videos). It supports the work in “the interest of religion, as well as the progress of arts” – but not, specifically, for schools.

    2) the Congress did not authorize money to finance or purchase the Bibles, contrary to what I believe Barton has said on TV and (I think) on one of his videos. Again, on pg. 106 of The Myth, he says that Congress “approved his request” – but that’s not entirely true. He requested permission and funding – they granted permission, but not funding. This is a minor point, but it illustrates Barton taking some truth and magnifying it/expanding it to make it sound better for his position.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You are all arguing and irrlevant point. I already addressed this. The US was not intended to have a Christian government. The US was intended to be a country that was open to any religion, and the religion that is dominant would make the nation one of that religion. The USA is a Christian Nation, for reasons already addressed...
    I know. Thank you for laying it out well in this thread, I had grown tired of doing it. Its rather funny, we have people lecturing others to take a community college Poli Sci class while completely ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people in this thread aren't even arguing what the statement actually means.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    "Indeed, when religious people quarrel about religion, or hungry people quarrel about victuals, it looks as if they had not much of either among them."
    --Ben Franklin
    It seems here that Mr. Franklin was making an important point about the desirability of religion, comparing it to nutrition-- and at the same time condemning the sectarian strife of his era. He makes a good point here; sectarian conflict over points of doctrine distances people from their faith and from the morality inherent to it.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    One can be Christian in belief while disliking organized religious practices or even "The church".

    One can be a Diest while adhering to the morals and ethics of the bible and attending Christian services.

    One can be a person steeped in faith while disliking many "religious" people and how they act.

    These things are not muturally exclusive.

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