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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There have been far more wars fought for other than religious reasons than there have been for religious reasons.
    I disagree. Almost every war, genocid etc has religious implications from the Inquisition to the conquering of the New World. Bosnia. Israel/Arabs. The Crusades. Rwanda. First Peloponnesian War. Protostant/Catholic wars, Muslim/Christian wars... etc. The basis is that one group is attacking another based off of a difference in religion. Even the War on Terror is a religious one. The US Civil War was not, many are not... but most are. Sure, money, land and other factors can and generally are a major reason, but they are only reasons used as excuses to attack those people with differering religious views.

    This is a tangent argument though...
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I disagree. Almost every war, genocid etc has religious implications from the Inquisition to the conquering of the New World. Bosnia. Israel/Arabs. The Crusades. Rwanda. First Peloponnesian War. Protostant/Catholic wars, Muslim/Christian wars... etc. The basis is that one group is attacking another based off of a difference in religion. Even the War on Terror is a religious one. The US Civil War was not, many are not... but most are. Sure, money, land and other factors can and generally are a major reason, but they are only reasons used as excuses to attack those people with differering religious views.

    This is a tangent argument though...
    Wars fought between people who are predominately of different religions doesn't make the basis of the war religious. There are some of course, like the crusades, based almost entirely on religion. To be honest, even that was more a religion of control using religion to recruit rather than a religious war.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I'm sorry you think quotes from our Founders are "crap". Maybe you should read them sometime instead of just basing your opinions on your own feelings.
    Oh trust me I know all about our founding Fathers and have sense enough to know that some were Agnostic and some were Deists.

    Also all one must do is read the Federalist Papers to see the answer to this question is no.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Religions raise and contribute billions of dollars to the problems of poverty and illness on this planet. They educate children. They practically single handedly take care of AIDS patients in most cities, providing medicine and shelter for them. They throw great parties like Mardi Gras and Christmas.

    Why would anybody hate religion?
    And on the other hand people die in the name of religion daily. Guess it all evens out, huh?
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That is completely ridiculous!


    They didn't misspeak, the point that the Bible was printed by Congress was made more than once. In the video Glenn Beck says emphatically that the Bible was "PRINTED BY CONGRESS, BY CONGRESS!!!"



    Excerpt from Chris Rodda's article on Huffpo:


    The following is the entire resolution:



    You can read the entire article at the Huffington Post:

    Chris Rodda: No, Mr. Beck, Congress Did Not Print a Bible for the Use of Schools
    LOL! I don't read HuffPo articles. I agree that Congress didn't themselves PRINT the Bible. They APPROVED the Bible for the use in schools. Yes, for the use in schools. That's what Aitken was asking for in his petition (did you read the actual documents or just leftie opinions on the topic?). He specifically said he wanted to publish the Bible for SCHOOLS to use. Congress approved of it and recommended it.

    For Barton to be "destroyed" she would've had to have proved that Congress had nothing to do with this Bible. She didn't and she can't.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Oh trust me I know all about our founding Fathers and have sense enough to know that some were Agnostic and some were Deists.

    Also all one must do is read the Federalist Papers to see the answer to this question is no.
    Fabulous! I'll await your dissertation on exactly who was agnostic and who was a Deist since you "know all about our founding Fathers".

    And I take it you think none were Christians?


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Anyone who voted yes is without a doubt a moron.

    Now to actually contribute to the thread:

    Let's go through the headlining founding fathers one by one, listing their religious affiliation.

    Ben Franklin - Deist
    http://www.adherents.com/people/pf/B..._Franklin.html

    George Washington - Contested, possibly Christian, possibly Deist. Not a strong advocate of either belief
    http://www.virginiaplaces.org/religion/religiongw.html

    John Adams - Devout non-trinitarian Christian
    http://www.adherents.com/people/pa/John_Adams.html

    Thomas Jefferson - Anti-religious to a degree, Deist
    I don't think I need to dig up a link for this, but if you would like one I would be happy to oblige

    James Madison - Didn't search hard enough to find his belief system, but he was firmly in favor of the separation of church and state
    http://member.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/qmadison.htm

    Alexander Hamilton - Devout Christian, in opposition of the separation of church and state
    http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/cdf/onug/hamilton.html


    So let's see. That tallies up to two devout Christians, one who I find to be opposed to separating church and state vs. four who were in favor of the separation of church and state.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I just don't understand where the morons who want prayer in public school and their ten commandments on federal property get this Idea that it is what America was built for. I mean a quick glance at some quotes from the founding fathers and they will see they very much despised the bible and the church.
    Good point, that explains why three days before enacting the Bill of Rights, Congress passed a law allocating funds for a chaplain to open each of its sessions with prayer: They just wanted him there so they could tell them how much they despised the bible and church.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Fabulous! I'll await your dissertation on exactly who was agnostic and who was a Deist since you "know all about our founding Fathers".

    And I take it you think none were Christians?
    Even if half of the founding fathers were devout Christians, that would not be enough for America to have been firmly established as a Christian nation. Every founding father would have been required to be Christian if the U.S. was intended to be a Christian nation.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymphetamine View Post
    Even if half of the founding fathers were devout Christians, that would not be enough for America to have been firmly established as a Christian nation. Every founding father would have been required to be Christian if the U.S. was intended to be a Christian nation.
    You're arguing against a position that absolutely no one has claimed. Saying that many of the founders were Christians or that most of the founders were influenced by Christianity is not the same as saying that every single founding father was a devout christian seeking to create a theocracy.
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