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Thread: Unemployment Benefits Extension

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Hows this for being responsible?

    Democrats add teacher money to war funding bill - Yahoo! News

    House Democrats, who are trying to pass a long-stalled war funding bill this week, have attached $10 billion to help local school districts avoid teacher layoffs when schools reopen.

    The approximately $70 billion measure is anchored by President Barack Obama's $30 billion request for the troop surge in Afghanistan and contains money for disaster aid accounts, foreign aid and disability benefits for Vietnam veterans exposed to Agent Orange.

    There's also more than $500 million in new money to hire more border patrol agents and pay for other security initiatives along the U.S.-Mexico border though $200 million in previously appropriated money for a border fence, popular with Republicans, would be rescinded.

    And there's $18 billion in new Energy Department loan guarantees, to be evenly split between nuclear and renewable energy projects.
    My brother-in-law died of agent orange. Isn't war glorious?

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I never had any kids. I demand all of my money back that I paid in taxes for other people's kids.
    why don't you just take everything I say to the absolute extreme? You're not trying to find the 'right' answer with me, you're trying to prove me wrong by manipulating what I say - that's not healthy debate - it's just annoying. We're not on opposite sides. We both want the best answer that will solve everything. That is impossible, so debates are set up to help find the best answer. This is what dem's and GOP forget in Congress. Let we the people not forget it too.

    The benefit of extending was excellent to me as a taxpayer in the beginning. To get the economy up and running - to give people an opportunity to get on their feet. And to help people! But I've given enough opportunity. "It's gone past that point" - the point of being beneficial to me. Because they're not working. So let's stop paying them for that choice. If you can't find a job within two years, it's because you choose to not find a job. This is my opinion. If you want to debate my opinion as stated, please do so. But don't tell me I'm killing these people by starving them or that you don't want to pay anymore school taxes for the same reason. You're making me out to be an extremist... which truly makes you seem to be the extremist.If you are, I don't want to debate anymore. We have different intents.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    I disagree with what you believe their motives were. I don't often agree w/ GOP, but I do here. Because I look at it from the other side of the moral compass. Who pays for this? the workers via taxes. Now and later. And our children. Will the benefit of those who need to be employed be greater than the cost of unemployment tax to those still working? no. It's gone on past that point. So when you force people to pay into something more than you intend to give back to them that's stealing. Tax isn't stealing so long as we get an equal or greater value out of the dollars paid. But when unemployment is going on this long, the benefit to each individual paying in has significantly dropped. And the costs are piling up. Let's end it to be moral. It's going to hurt now, but if we don't, I believe it will hurt worse later.
    If you are concerned about US debt, which I am. Then there are so many other places that should go under the knife. Have you seen some of the luxury at many public schools. They got running field, soccer field, baseball, football and of course and indoor swimming pool. This isn't free and I would rather spend less on that, than on the fellow americans who are not able to get a job in this economic climate.

    Also as I said, many people on unemployment benefits can't afford living without any income. They will try to use another benefit and if that doesn't work, then they may turn to crime.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Hows this for being responsible?

    Democrats add teacher money to war funding bill - Yahoo! News

    House Democrats, who are trying to pass a long-stalled war funding bill this week, have attached $10 billion to help local school districts avoid teacher layoffs when schools reopen.

    The approximately $70 billion measure is anchored by President Barack Obama's $30 billion request for the troop surge in Afghanistan and contains money for disaster aid accounts, foreign aid and disability benefits for Vietnam veterans exposed to Agent Orange.

    There's also more than $500 million in new money to hire more border patrol agents and pay for other security initiatives along the U.S.-Mexico border — though $200 million in previously appropriated money for a border fence, popular with Republicans, would be rescinded.

    And there's $18 billion in new Energy Department loan guarantees, to be evenly split between nuclear and renewable energy projects.
    Could you please relate this to the topic: should we extend unemployment benefits?

    I'm only requesting because I truly don't know why you posted this here. What's it have to do with the topic? or did you just find it interesting?
    Last edited by fredmertz; 06-30-10 at 05:37 PM.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I deliver there and load there but there is no work?
    I'm two states over and my guess would be that yes. You deliver there and load there. So people are working there. Those positions are filled, not open. Nobody is hiring.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    why don't you just take everything I say to the absolute extreme? You're not trying to find the 'right' answer with me, you're trying to prove me wrong by manipulating what I say - that's not healthy debate - it's just annoying. We're not on opposite sides. We both want the best answer that will solve everything. That is impossible, so debates are set up to help find the best answer. This is what dem's and GOP forget in Congress. Let we the people not forget it too.

    The benefit of extending was excellent to me as a taxpayer in the beginning. To get the economy up and running - to give people an opportunity to get on their feet. And to help people! But I've given enough opportunity. "It's gone past that point" - the point of being beneficial to me. Because they're not working. So let's stop paying them for that choice. If you can't find a job within two years, it's because you choose to not find a job. This is my opinion. If you want to debate my opinion as stated, please do so. But don't tell me I'm killing these people by starving them or that you don't want to pay anymore school taxes for the same reason. You're making me out to be an extremist... which truly makes you seem to be the extremist.If you are, I don't want to debate anymore. We have different intents.
    Sure

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Factor in this:

    In the job hunt, the stigma of being laid off is hard to erase - CNN.com

    "As if securing work in a jobless recovery isn't tricky enough, being labeled unemployed brings additional obstacles. Some companies state explicitly that they don't want to consider people who don't currently have a job, a CNNMoney article reported this month.

    It's not against the law, labor attorneys say, to discriminate against people who are unemployed.

    Some recruiters interviewed say companies perceive the unemployed as weak performers or fickle workers. Or they worry that a person without a job has rusty work skills, especially if they haven't worked for more than six months. Or that an unemployed person will take a lower paying job out of desperation and then flee when a better job opportunity arises."

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    If you are concerned about US debt, which I am. Then there are so many other places that should go under the knife. Have you seen some of the luxury at many public schools. They got running field, soccer field, baseball, football and of course and indoor swimming pool. This isn't free and I would rather spend less on that, than on the fellow americans who are not able to get a job in this economic climate.

    Also as I said, many people on unemployment benefits can't afford living without any income. They will try to use another benefit and if that doesn't work, then they may turn to crime.
    I definately agree! We should re-evalute a LOT of gov't spending. But when we re-evaluate each area, we can't say "well look what we're spending over there!" We need to decide if the spending is appropriate in each area despite spending in other areas. So despite the fact there are certainly other areas that could be cut dramatically, this is one area that I think we did the right thing. We can't spend money we don't have. If we want to continue it, let's get the funding to continue it instead of 'figure it out later'.

    And let them turn to crime if they will - we will find a way to fight them off if they do. Fear of the negative things people will do isn't a justification to give them what they want. That's basically unspoken blackmail. And do you honestly think that enough people will qualify for disability insurance that the costs would be greater than unemployment insurance? I don't have figures, but that seems far-fetched.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    I definately agree! We should re-evalute a LOT of gov't spending. But when we re-evaluate each area, we can't say "well look what we're spending over there!" We need to decide if the spending is appropriate in each area despite spending in other areas. So despite the fact there are certainly other areas that could be cut dramatically, this is one area that I think we did the right thing. We can't spend money we don't have. If we want to continue it, let's get the funding to continue it instead of 'figure it out later'.

    And let them turn to crime if they will - we will find a way to fight them off if they do. Fear of the negative things people will do isn't a justification to give them what they want. That's basically unspoken blackmail. And do you honestly think that enough people will qualify for disability insurance that the costs would be greater than unemployment insurance? I don't have figures, but that seems far-fetched.
    "Let them turn to crime" Great idea! We could become a prison nation and even import criminals from other countries.

    One slight problem with that is, though, that california has just built a 77 million dollar prison that they can not afford to staff.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    "Let them turn to crime" Great idea! We could become a prison nation and even import criminals from other countries.

    One slight problem with that is, though, that california has just built a 77 million dollar prison that they can not afford to staff.
    obviously I don't mean let the crime happen - I mean - let them try. We'll take care of it as we always do. And great point on the prison system - perhaps it too needs to be re-evaluated - (both in benefits prisoners get - perhaps cutting them down or cutting down who gets them AND in who goes to prison - there are some pretty easy things we could change in our laws that would free up prison space and a LOT of money).

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