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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    If china can manufacture stuff at a lower opportunity cost, let them, and we will specialize in something else.
    Compete in what? What can you compete with them on? honestly I don't know if you can. Globalization will bite the ass of the champion of it. All your globalized companies are going to move to china. Your being forced to compete with near slave labour in the manufacturing industry. I just don't see how the balance can be changed without a huge dump in standard of living. All the while the system preaches to kids .. if you work hard you can do anything, particularly if you want to work for $100 dollars a month. I know that over time the benefits of globalization are going to benefit the world but in the meantime it gives the wealthy big business a winning hand on the cost of production. Without value added exports Americas middle class is being destroyed.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Compete in what? What can you compete with them on? honestly I don't know if you can. Globalization will bite the ass of the champion of it. All your globalized companies are going to move to china. Your being forced to compete with near slave labour in the manufacturing industry. I just don't see how the balance can be changed without a huge dump in standard of living. All the while the system preaches to kids .. if you work hard you can do anything, particularly if you want to work for $100 dollars a month. I know that over time the benefits of globalization are going to benefit the world but in the meantime it gives the wealthy big business a winning hand on the cost of production. Without value added exports Americas middle class is being destroyed.
    1. It is literally impossible for china to have comparative advantage in everything.
    2. I agree, certain people are hurt by globalization and free trade, since the US may move away from producing the things that they make. This just is an even better arguement for a stronger saftey net and better unemployment benefits for people making these transitions.
    3. Big business is not the only one that gains. Think about all the american companies that loose when we decide to import from china at lower prices. They are no longer competitive either. But you cannot deny we all benefit by buying things at even lower prices than before.
    4. Free trade increases our standard of living because it allows us to produce amounts of goods that would be impossible by ourselves.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    It looks like the conservatives won the battle for their new found economic mantra of cutting spending.

    In another area of the economy the conservatives at the world trade summit also promised to cut spending.

    Guess what? The stock market is falling. Buddy, can you spare a dime?

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    I say that the unemployment benefits are kept. Many families won't be able to afford living without it, hence they will find another benefit to use, like disability benefit. However it's much harder to get people off that kind of benefit. Hence, the government should keep them till the economy has improved so much that people should be able to get jobs.

    Also, the economist magazine, support keeping the extensions.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Keep digging your own grave, GOP.
    They may be digging their grave, but I'd prefer that over them digging our nation into more debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    They may be digging their grave, but I'd prefer that over them digging our nation into more debt.
    Yeah, it's better to let your fellow man starve than go into more debt. One good thing about debt. We all die and don't worry about it anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Hrm, good point but I still think it is a poor move both economically and morally. I honestly believe it is a partisan motivated political play aimed at making the dems look bad considering all the idiocy coming out of the republican party as of late. Preparation for the fall elections.
    I disagree with what you believe their motives were. I don't often agree w/ GOP, but I do here. Because I look at it from the other side of the moral compass. Who pays for this? the workers via taxes. Now and later. And our children. Will the benefit of those who need to be employed be greater than the cost of unemployment tax to those still working? no. It's gone on past that point. So when you force people to pay into something more than you intend to give back to them that's stealing. Tax isn't stealing so long as we get an equal or greater value out of the dollars paid. But when unemployment is going on this long, the benefit to each individual paying in has significantly dropped. And the costs are piling up. Let's end it to be moral. It's going to hurt now, but if we don't, I believe it will hurt worse later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Yeah, it's better to let your fellow man starve than go into more debt. One food thing about debt. We all die and don't worry about it anymore.
    oh don't be so dramatic. Yeah, it will suck. But people who aren't getting benefits extended have already been collecting for 99 weeks. NEARLY TWO YEARS of collecting money without producing a thing for the economy or society. That's just too long. They should have been able to get on their feet by now. I was for the initial extension. At that time, their jobless status was not their fault and the situation just sucked. I was happy to help by paying higher taxes for my fellow Americans. At this point, except for rare exceptions, they're just taking too much. My pockets aren't that deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    I disagree with what you believe their motives were. I don't often agree w/ GOP, but I do here. Because I look at it from the other side of the moral compass. Who pays for this? the workers via taxes. Now and later. And our children. Will the benefit of those who need to be employed be greater than the cost of unemployment tax to those still working? no. It's gone on past that point. So when you force people to pay into something more than you intend to give back to them that's stealing. Tax isn't stealing so long as we get an equal or greater value out of the dollars paid. But when unemployment is going on this long, the benefit to each individual paying in has significantly dropped. And the costs are piling up. Let's end it to be moral. It's going to hurt now, but if we don't, I believe it will hurt worse later.
    I never had any kids. I demand all of my money back that I paid in taxes for other people's kids.

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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    They may be digging their grave, but I'd prefer that over them digging our nation into more debt.
    Hows this for being responsible?

    Democrats add teacher money to war funding bill - Yahoo! News

    House Democrats, who are trying to pass a long-stalled war funding bill this week, have attached $10 billion to help local school districts avoid teacher layoffs when schools reopen.

    The approximately $70 billion measure is anchored by President Barack Obama's $30 billion request for the troop surge in Afghanistan and contains money for disaster aid accounts, foreign aid and disability benefits for Vietnam veterans exposed to Agent Orange.

    There's also more than $500 million in new money to hire more border patrol agents and pay for other security initiatives along the U.S.-Mexico border — though $200 million in previously appropriated money for a border fence, popular with Republicans, would be rescinded.

    And there's $18 billion in new Energy Department loan guarantees, to be evenly split between nuclear and renewable energy projects.

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