View Poll Results: Who is the most influential conservatve voice in America?

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    31 43.06%
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  • Ann Coulter

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    22 30.56%
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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    That's classic denial.

    My Grandmother (has dementia now) would do the same. Rail against drugs and booze,... even as she was begging for a pain pill.

    If you haven't lived with it and dealt with it,...I doubt that I can make you understand.

    There's a difference between mere addiction,... and the want for drugs for recreational use.
    Either way laws must be broken in order to feed the addiction. Rush was violating the law to get his narcotic fix. Personal responsibility's a bitch.
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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Either way laws must be broken in order to feed the addiction. Rush was violating the law to get his narcotic fix. Personal responsibility's a bitch.
    I completely agree.

    And my Grandmother did the same.

    She would claim she lost her meds or left them somewhere,.... shop doctors, etc.

    When she finally went to the nursing home and we had to do something with her things, we found stashes everywhere.

    Hundreds of pills.

    We all picked up her meds for her from time to time and never realised that she was using us to get more meds than she was supposed to have.

    In my experience, it all stems from the addiction itself.

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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    i never heard your grandmother on the radio calling for severe penalties but I have heard rush on the radio calling for severe penalties for something he was doing himself.
    If you think I personally would have a problem with Rush (or even my Grandmother) going to jail or paying a fine for any crimes committed,.... You're wrong.

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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    If you think I personally would have a problem with Rush (or even my Grandmother) going to jail or paying a fine for any crimes committed,.... You're wrong.
    Cool, personally I'm against prison time for drug addicts. Since rush has a large the hypocrisy of his position is an issue.

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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Cool, personally I'm against prison time for drug addicts. Since rush has a large the hypocrisy of his position is an issue.
    You still don't understand the denial aspect for drug addicts.

    Rush never claimed people who develop dependencies or addictions should be punished..... Only those who do so 'recreationally.'

    Now if you could show that Rush was using pain meds for recreational use,... you would then have a much more significant point.

    The thing is with pain meds is that as you become addicted,... your tolerance for the meds go up (they become less effective) and your tolerance for pain goes down,... every ache you feel demands a pill.

    That's a long way from "hey man,.. take one of these and you be trippin."
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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    You still don't understand the denial aspect for drug addicts.

    Rush never claimed people who develop dependencies or addictions should be punished..... Only those who do so 'recreationally.'

    Now if you could show that Rush was using pain meds for recreational use,... you would then have a much more significant point.

    The thing is with pain meds is that as you become addicted,... your tolerance for the meds go up (they become less effective) and your tolerance for pain goes down,... every ache you feel demands a pill.

    That's a long way from "hey man,.. take one of these and you be trippin."
    He claimed people who break drug laws (he broke drug laws) what ever laws should punished severely.

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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I completely agree.

    And my Grandmother did the same.

    She would claim she lost her meds or left them somewhere,.... shop doctors, etc.

    When she finally went to the nursing home and we had to do something with her things, we found stashes everywhere.

    Hundreds of pills.

    We all picked up her meds for her from time to time and never realised that she was using us to get more meds than she was supposed to have.

    In my experience, it all stems from the addiction itself.
    Absolutley it stems from the addiction.

    But that doesn't negate the personal responsibility aspect. One can't argue in favor of personal responsibility for one type of addiction, while also arguing in favor of a victimization mentality for another.

    I have sympathy for all addicts. From crackheads to oxycontin abusers. There's always some underlying problem that leads to the addiction.

    But one doesn't become an addict pasively. It's an active endeavor. There are choices that are made along the way. No matter what the drug is, no matter who the addict is.

    I don't think that any addict is better than another, nor do I consider non-addicts to be better people than addicts. We're all human and we all have weaknesses. I'd have an issue with Rush's comments about drug addiction that were made before his own addiction was known regardless of his own drug use. The fact is that he was implying that addicts were "lesser people" than non-addicts with his statements and that's pure bull****.

    Now, I'm not sure if he was already addicted to prescription drugs at the time. If he was, that's a hypocritical stance and deserves all the criticism it receives for it's hypocricy.

    If he wasn't an addict at that time, but still holds a similar view, then that's even worse, becaus enow he should have a better understanding of the problem of addiction. If he hasn't altered his stance, then he not only is engaging in hypocricy, he's ****ting on the concept of personal responsibility for himself, which is in essence ****ting on conservative philosophy in favor of self-delusion.

    If he wasn't an addict at the time of the statements, and has since softened his views due to having a greater understanding of the issue, kudos to him.
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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    Rush, easily.
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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    I kind of wish I could vote again. I would vote for Coulter or Hannity at this point just because I feel bad for them.

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    Re: Who is the most influental conservative voice in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ronald Reagan.

    He's dead and he's still arguably the most influential. The majority of the radio hosts people reference continually allude back to Reagan, claim Reagan is the model for their principles and views, and use Reagan's words and views to validate their ideas. Every political candidate on the right is continually trying to be a "Reagan conservative" and referencing the man. Most conservatives long for the days of Reagan while youth are taught of him as the pinnacle of Conservatism often.

    Even dead, his voice...through the words he's left over and the legacy that continues on...is by far the most influential amongst conservatives.
    I agree with this, the reason I did not think to include Reagan/Goldwater is that they have passed on. I guess because of the structure of the poll I assumed we were talking about those still with us. I'd also throw William F. Buckley into this conversation.
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