View Poll Results: From these options, who or what do you care most about?

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  • Myself

    13 25.49%
  • My family and friends

    23 45.10%
  • Myself and the people who share the same values as me

    1 1.96%
  • My religion and its followers

    1 1.96%
  • My city as a whole

    0 0%
  • My state as a whole

    0 0%
  • My country as a whole

    1 1.96%
  • My country and our allies

    0 0%
  • The human race as a whole

    6 11.76%
  • The planet / ecosystem as a whole

    6 11.76%
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Never.

    This has been a philosophical theory of mine that I have been formulating for many years. I haven't seen it proven wrong, yet. I've presented here at DP a couple of time. Some folks don't want to admit that they take themselves into consideration in every behavior that the do. Mostly, the reason is that they place a negative value judgement towards taking care of or being kind to themselves, an absurd position.

    As far as libertarianism goes, I will NEVER turn to the dark side, however, you'd be surprised that quite a few of my positions would be considered libertarian in nature. Most of my political and economic position are based on human psychology, not on standard political or economic theory. That's why it is very hard to classify where on the political spectrum I truly lay.
    You can't resist the calling!

    I totally agree with your theory.
    100% accurate.
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Transaction Theory states that the concept of pure altruism does not exist, at least not in the sense that people will often use it. There is no such thing as a selfless act. Every action that we make is a "transaction". If, for example, I do something for you, I get something out of doing that thing... perhaps a feeling of self-worth, or a good feeling of helping another. This feeling is the "payoff" and may be obtained unconsciously or without the conscious motivation towards obtaining it.. Even choosing to die for someone is not a selfless act. In this case, the transaction would precede the behavior... the good feeling of sacrificing for another. Therefore, it is not possible to put anyone but yourself first. This does not denote selfishness, however, and as can be seen with Transaction Theory, obtaining ones "payoff" often benefits others, sometimes more qualitatively or quantitatively than oneself. Even in those situations, though, the behavior starts with the self.
    Sorry and no disrespect? But Dr. Phil is that You? Really it sounds like what he says-humans do nothing without some sort of pay off. Personally? I feel that humans do good things just because.
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You can't resist the calling!

    I totally agree with your theory.
    100% accurate.
    So, let's review. You are 100% on board with my health care position, an with my "Life-Interaction" Philosophy of "Transaction Theory". Have you considered the possibility that I have been slowly turning YOU into one of MY disciples?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It is kinda. I just find it fascinating that when we agree on something. our positions on that thing are nearly identical.
    I have many friends who have told me that I missed my true calling to be a therapist, due to my ability to listen and remain impartial, non-judgemental, and see things from all sides... no matter who it was. ** I also studied a [tiny] bit of psychology when I was considering the field at some point. And, I've also studied a bit in an effort to learn more about myself and my own actions. Maybe that's why when we agree, it's nearly identical? LOL

    ** (in fact, this ability and the results of it are why I don't use chat programs much at all. I had so fricken many people who would just DUMP on me as soon as I logged in. I seriously started feeling like the internet therapist and dreaded logging on in my leisure time )

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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Sorry and no disrespect? But Dr. Phil is that You? Really it sounds like what he says-humans do nothing without some sort of pay off. Personally? I feel that humans do good things just because.
    Never compare me to Dr. Phil. He's an idiot who thinks he can solve people's problem in 30 minutes. However, if he is on board with what I presented, then perhaps he is not as much of an idiot as I have assumed.

    There is no "because", Kali. You get something out of everything you do. The issue with many people is that they place a negative value judgement on that fact. I would challenge anyone to ask themselves why it is bad to get something good for yourself when you do something good for someone else. That is the issue, here. My philosophy is completely logically sound. Lack of belief in it is based on one's own psychology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Ahh... then you do what you do for your loved ones expecting something in return. So, you're not *really* putting them first, are you? You expect something, and when you don't receive it, you feel stressed. Note: I'm not judging that, just making an observation. Stop expecting, and you will stop stressing. You're seeking something from them that you're not receiving from them. And maybe, you don't NEED it from them. Or, maybe you DO... in which case you need to change the standards of your relationships or cut them loose altogether.
    Huh? You are reading a whole lot into my post that I did not say. Of course you seem to do that a Lot.
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I have many friends who have told me that I missed my true calling to be a therapist, due to my ability to listen and remain impartial, non-judgemental, and see things from all sides... no matter who it was. ** I also studied a [tiny] bit of psychology when I was considering the field at some point. And, I've also studied a bit in an effort to learn more about myself and my own actions. Maybe that's why when we agree, it's nearly identical? LOL

    ** (in fact, this ability and the results of it are why I don't use chat programs much at all. I had so fricken many people who would just DUMP on me as soon as I logged in. I seriously started feeling like the internet therapist and dreaded logging on in my leisure time )
    Your comments in post #49 are classic therapeutic intervention. I've said things similar to clients just TODAY.

    You may have missed your calling and you are probably right. One reason when we agree we do so, so completely is probably because of the psychological and impartial way we communicate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Huh? You are reading a whole lot into my post that I did not say. Of course you seem to do that a Lot.

    I always worry more about others in my life than myself though and need to maybe chill a bit on it. That would be a whole other thread. I just think that people that I love in my life should always come first even though they do not seem to feel same which is why I stay half stressed out most times and some of them are not even blood. But that is a whole other thread.
    The bolded part is evidence of your expectations from them. Like I said, I'm not judging that, just pointing it out. Remove the expection, and you remove the stress.

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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Never compare me to Dr. Phil. He's an idiot who thinks he can solve people's problem in 30 minutes. However, if he is on board with what I presented, then perhaps he is not as much of an idiot as I have assumed.

    There is no "because", Kali. You get something out of everything you do. The issue with many people is that they place a negative value judgement on that fact. I would challenge anyone to ask themselves why it is bad to get something good for yourself when you do something good for someone else. That is the issue, here. My philosophy is completely logically sound. Lack of belief in it is based on one's own psychology.
    If you do not wish to be compaired to him? Do not come talking about this crap he has been talking for YEARS. He says every single thing people do has a "pay off" in some way to them. Which is pretty much what you are saying. Humans do things because they get some sort of pay off from it.

    Again: I do not mean to offend you or anything as I have a lot of respect for you. So please do not get mad at me or anything
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I have many friends who have told me that I missed my true calling to be a therapist, due to my ability to listen and remain impartial, non-judgemental, and see things from all sides... no matter who it was. ** I also studied a [tiny] bit of psychology when I was considering the field at some point. And, I've also studied a bit in an effort to learn more about myself and my own actions. Maybe that's why when we agree, it's nearly identical? LOL

    ** (in fact, this ability and the results of it are why I don't use chat programs much at all. I had so fricken many people who would just DUMP on me as soon as I logged in. I seriously started feeling like the internet therapist and dreaded logging on in my leisure time )
    Ability to listen and remain impartial, non-judgemental, and see things from all sides?? I do not get that from you here. Maybe you should start being more like that on the interwebz. Just saying
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