View Poll Results: From these options, who or what do you care most about?

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  • Myself

    13 25.49%
  • My family and friends

    23 45.10%
  • Myself and the people who share the same values as me

    1 1.96%
  • My religion and its followers

    1 1.96%
  • My city as a whole

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  • My state as a whole

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  • My country as a whole

    1 1.96%
  • My country and our allies

    0 0%
  • The human race as a whole

    6 11.76%
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your position is completely inline with my own "Transaction Theory", which, logically proves that everything we do benefits ourselves, therefore we always put ourselves first.

    This is another one of those rare times that you and I are of the same mindset.
    It's not THAT rare.

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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Even choosing to die for someone is not a selfless act. In this case, the transaction would precede the behavior... the good feeling of sacrificing for another. Therefore, it is not possible to put anyone but yourself first.
    OR, pre-emptively avoiding the negative feelings that would result from NOT sacrificing yourself to save someone else.

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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Transaction Theory states that the concept of pure altruism does not exist, at least not in the sense that people will often use it. There is no such thing as a selfless act. Every action that we make is a "transaction". If, for example, I do something for you, I get something out of doing that thing... perhaps a feeling of self-worth, or a good feeling of helping another. This feeling is the "payoff" and may be obtained unconsciously or without the conscious motivation towards obtaining it.. Even choosing to die for someone is not a selfless act. In this case, the transaction would precede the behavior... the good feeling of sacrificing for another. Therefore, it is not possible to put anyone but yourself first. This does not denote selfishness, however, and as can be seen with Transaction Theory, obtaining ones "payoff" often benefits others, sometimes more qualitatively or quantitatively than oneself. Even in those situations, though, the behavior starts with the self.
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    OR, pre-emptively avoiding the negative feelings that would result from NOT sacrificing yourself to save someone else.
    Absolutely. That is part of the expanded version of Transaction Theory. Positive/negative reinforcement as well as negative/positive punishment are built in. Both desiring a feeling or desiring to avoid a feeling can motivate an action.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It's not THAT rare.
    It is kinda. I just find it fascinating that when we agree on something. our positions on that thing are nearly identical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't want to speak for Rivrrat, but I think what she is saying is that because she cares about others she would die for them. Because shewants to die for them because she wants them to live. There is nothing selfish about that. We have to love ourselves to properly love others. I think what she is saying is that it would be herself wanting to die for others because she wants to do so. If anything I would say wanting to die for another and loving someone that much is the most selfless thing anyone can do. Again, I can't speak for Rivrrat, but that's just my two cents on things. I'm mainly bothered by the fact that you find it selfish to die for someone because that's what you want to do. Essentially, things are all about us. We do what we want, and there is nothing selfish about wanting or being willing to die for one that you love.
    Sort of, yes. It IS selfish in that it benefits the self. It is not totally selfish because it also benefits others. There are degrees of selfishness. But everything we do ultimately benefits ourselves in some way, or else we would not be doing it.

    I agree that we have to love ourselves before we can love others.

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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    There is nothing that we do that doesn't benefit ourselves in some way. I am no more selfish than every other person in the world.


    EDIT: Secondly, if I didn't care about myself first and foremost, I would cease to exist. Every time you eat or drink it's because you value yourself. If I put everyone else before me, I would die. And the only way that would benefit me is if my death benefited my loved ones.
    OK. Point taking. You are right and I understand what you mean. To put it simple you mean: If we are dead then what good are we?


    I will say this: I do think parents should always put Self above their children cause if they have no parents? Well then what.

    I always worry more about others in my life than myself though and need to maybe chill a bit on it. That would be a whole other thread. I just think that people that I love in my life should always come first even though they do not seem to feel same which is why I stay half stressed out most times and some of them are not even blood. But that is a whole other thread.
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    CC, slowly becoming a libertarian.

    I can feel it.
    Never.

    This has been a philosophical theory of mine that I have been formulating for many years. I haven't seen it proven wrong, yet. I've presented here at DP a couple of time. Some folks don't want to admit that they take themselves into consideration in every behavior that the do. Mostly, the reason is that they place a negative value judgement towards taking care of or being kind to themselves, an absurd position.

    As far as libertarianism goes, I will NEVER turn to the dark side, however, you'd be surprised that quite a few of my positions would be considered libertarian in nature. Most of my political and economic position are based on human psychology, not on standard political or economic theory. That's why it is very hard to classify where on the political spectrum I truly lay.
    Last edited by CaptainCourtesy; 06-26-10 at 04:01 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    OK. Point taking. You are right and I understand what you mean. To put it simple you mean: If we are dead then what good are we?


    I will say this: I do think parents should always put Self above their children cause if they have no parents? Well then what.

    I always worry more about others in my life than myself though and need to maybe chill a bit on it. That would be a whole other thread. I just think that people that I love in my life should always come first even though they do not seem to feel same which is why I stay half stressed out most times and some of them are not even blood. But that is a whole other thread.
    Ahh... then you do what you do for your loved ones expecting something in return. So, you're not *really* putting them first, are you? You expect something, and when you don't receive it, you feel stressed. Note: I'm not judging that, just making an observation. Stop expecting, and you will stop stressing. You're seeking something from them that you're not receiving from them. And maybe, you don't NEED it from them. Or, maybe you DO... in which case you need to change the standards of your relationships or cut them loose altogether.
    Last edited by rivrrat; 06-26-10 at 04:07 AM. Reason: bite me

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    Re: Who or what do you care most about?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Never.

    This has been a philosophical theory of mine that I have been formulating for many years. I haven't seen it proven wrong, yet. I've presented here at DP a couple of time. Some folks don't want to admit that they take themselves into consideration in every behavior that the do. Mostly, the reason is that they place a negative value judgement towards taking care of or being kind to themselves, an absurd position.

    As far as libertarianism goes, I will NEVER turn to the dark side, however, you'd be surprised that quite a few of my positions would be considered libertarian in nature. Most of my political and economic position are based on human psychology, not on standard political or economic theory. That's why it is very hard to classify where on the political spectrum I truly lay.
    You consider yourself a liberal? I'd put you closer to libertarian, IMO.

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