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Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

Could you vote for Obama if he shared more of your Conservative values?


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I voted for him last time because he was the best of the two credible candidates in the race. That doesn't mean I liked him then, or like him now, he was just better than the McCain/Palin ticket. I spend almost all of my time voting against people, there is rarely, if ever, someone running in any political race, that I can actually support. All he has to do to get my support in 2012 is to be better than whatever religious zealot the Republican party puts up.
I'm hoping the Republicans put up a candidate I can actually support, rather than just vote for one candidate or the other because I think the they are the (slightly) lesser of two evils, like far too many past elections.

As I'm opposed to Pres. Obama being reelected, that would be the best option for me, unless a really great 3rd party candidate shows up (unlikely).
 
Obama has been shaped by his upbringing, teachings and associations. His mother, his father, his "typical white" grandmother, Saul Alinskeys Rules for Radicals, Frank Marshal Davis, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van Jones, ACORN, SEIU, Chicago thugs, Andy Stern, Rahm Emanuel, George Soros, Center for American Progress, on and on and on. He doesn't have any Conservative associations and doesn't hold even one Conservative value that I can see. He's cramming socialism down our throats one big bite and a time.
I'd never vote for him. I can't wait for his first and only term to be over. I just hope it won't be too late for the country.
 
After reading complaints from the Republicans on this board for over a year now the thought occurred to me...

If Pres. Obama shared more Conservative values would any Republican member here vote for him?

Example: If he supported gun rights?

If not, what issue would he have to embrace in order to get your vote?

Hmm - for him to get my vote?
That's an extreme question - I've thought about it for a few days, actually. . . and still can't really come up with something.

It's not that the fundamentals of "Democrat" are what I disagree with - or that the fundamentals of "Republican" are what I do agree with. It's a lot of other things: I don't like how he behaved when coming into office - the campaign-trail rhetoric (traveling around, apologizing for the US, bowing to everyone). Yet I agree with him on a lot of issues that matter most to some people (gay rights - though I support gay marriage and he doesn't, abortion and so on).
However, in other areas I strongly disagree with him and these outweigh all else: the healthcare issue, his lack of action per Arizona's struggles, last year's debacle with the requested troops overseas, constantly blaming Bush for everything that goes on, and continually poking at those he disagrees with (like the Tea-Party, etc), his complete lack of spending-control. . . this list can go on.

So, no, though I don't personally dislike him and I agree with quite a few things - the things I disapprove of far outweigh all that.
 
Also, your point is very correct about kids not knowing anything about politics, and the fact is that when they reach adulthood we probably do learn and recognize/realize more.

It really happens when they start looking at how much they pay in taxes if they have a decent job.:)
 
I'm hoping the Republicans put up a candidate I can actually support, rather than just vote for one candidate or the other because I think the they are the (slightly) lesser of two evils, like far too many past elections.

Remember a few years back, when everyone was thrilled about how the press loved McCain? Imo, that's probably why the Republican party nominated him, stupidly believing that he could win the press over, thus improve their chances for victory. They compromised and it was a losing endeavor.
 
OK, now wait a minute. The premise of this question is basically, if Obama was some one else, could conservatives vote for him. Well, if I was some one else, I might be able to answer.
 
No...the question is pretty straight-forward...

If Pres. Obama shared more Conservative values would any Republican member here vote for him? I'm not saying if he totally changed his political stance, but rather if he embraced a Conservative position or two would a Conservative/Republican member her jump on that Obama bandwagon?
 
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No...the question is pretty straight-forward...

If Pres. Obama shared more Conservative values would any Republican member here vote for him? I'm not saying if he totally changed his political stance, but rather if he embraced a Conservative position or two would a Conservative/Republican member her jump on that Obama bandwagon?
So many of his views are completely or mostly opposite to conservative views, that unless the republican candidate were somehow further left than Obama, it would be unlikely.
 
So many of his views are completely or mostly opposite to conservative views, that unless the republican candidate were somehow further left than Obama, it would be unlikely.

*shrug*
Things would have to be totally "Outer Limits" crazed to get me to choose Obama in the face of another oponent - like - Hitler would have to come back to life and run against him for me to vote for Obama . . . something like that.
 
After reading complaints from the Republicans on this board for over a year now the thought occurred to me...

If Pres. Obama shared more Conservative values would any Republican member here vote for him?

Example: If he supported gun rights?

If not, what issue would he have to embrace in order to get your vote?
He'd have to start with a record of conservative action.
 
After reading complaints from the Republicans on this board for over a year now the thought occurred to me...

If Pres. Obama shared more Conservative values would any Republican member here vote for him?

Example: If he supported gun rights?

If not, what issue would he have to embrace in order to get your vote?
The Obama would have to become a conservative, through deed, not word.
As such, I need never have to worry about voting for Him.
 
It always nice when a president supports conservative values although it's not the president that holds the true power. The ability to change laws, rights etc. is conducted through our senate and house of representatives, the president of the U.S. is basically only a figure head.
 
It always nice when a president supports conservative values although it's not the president that holds the true power. The ability to change laws, rights etc. is conducted through our senate and house of representatives, the president of the U.S. is basically only a figure head.
True, but he can advocate for policies that he wants and has the power of the veto, without a strong enough majority in congress he can hold the process hostage until he is heard.
 
True, but he can advocate for policies that he wants and has the power of the veto, without a strong enough majority in congress he can hold the process hostage until he is heard.
This is true, but considering that there is a much bigger turn out for presidential elections I would say congressional and midterm elections are far more important. People who vote in the midterms seem to be far more informed than those who just turn out for presidential elections. Although having a one party federal or even state government in charge is inherently dangerous regardless of party, unless we have a true president and congressional members who abide strictly by the constitution
 
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This is true, but considering that there is a much bigger turn out for presidential elections I would say congressional and midterm elections are far more important. People who vote in the midterms seem to be far more informed than those who just turn out for presidential elections. Although having a one party federal or even state government in charge is inherently dangerous regardless of party, unless we have a true president and congressional members who abide strictly by the constitution
I agree in full, and concede that the mid-terms are crucial in any period for exactly those reasons for multiple purposes. Hopefully something gets done and real representation and sanity return to Washington.
 
It always nice when a president supports conservative values although it's not the president that holds the true power. The ability to change laws, rights etc. is conducted through our senate and house of representatives, the president of the U.S. is basically only a figure head.
For some enlightenment, you should look at the years when Clinton was President and the Repubs held both the Senate and House.

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If, by a miracle, Obama suddenly saw the light in upholding the Constitution, and publicy apologized for his wrongdoings, took serious steps to correct them, and practiced libertarian principles for at least a few months, then yes, I would support him and vote for him.

But Obama's track record so far has been precisely the opposite of what it should be. He doesn't even practice libertarian principles that identify with liberals, such as ending the drug war. And he has not demonstrated one smidgen of learning the truth about simple economics.

So don't get your hopes up. He has about the same odds of Adolf Hitler turning into Jesus Christ.
 
If Obama truly became a conservative then yes (and by that I mean he really was conservative not just shifting more to the center/right to get elected and then going left again)
I will vote for the more conservative candidate. If somehow Obama is more conservative than the Republican, I will vote for him, but that is very unlikely.
 
For some enlightenment, you should look at the years when Clinton was President and the Repubs held both the Senate and House.

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Thanks for the reminder TOJ, believe me I live through that administration as well, non the less congress holds the power. BTW I would trade for Bubba over Obama any day. Obama makes the Clinton's look like our founding fathers.
 
only adding ditto to those above. absolutely; however, the odds of that happening are about comparable to Andrew Sullivan nominating Sarah Palin for the Nobel Peace Prize. suffice to say I would be extremely suspicious if President Obama were to suddenly discover that he was pro life, pro securing the border, pro free market, and in favor of taking an aggressive tone against iran russia and china.
 
The game is rigged. It’s all an illusion.
Republican vs. Democrat is all a lie; all presidents are puppets.
 
No. If you screw up in politics once, you're history.
 
Only if he reversed every action he has taken.

I believe it would be impossible.

It would be like asking Satan to suddenly become Jesus Christ.
 
Obama would have to do a complete 180 on his policies and denounce the political views of most of the people he grew up around, including family and friends.

In other words, when Barack Obama is no longer Barack Obama, let me know and I'll vote for him.
 
After reading complaints from the Republicans on this board for over a year now the thought occurred to me...

If Pres. Obama shared more Conservative values would any Republican member here vote for him?

Example: If he supported gun rights?

If not, what issue would he have to embrace in order to get your vote?

Assuming I would believe him? He hasn't exactly been what you would call trustworthy.
 
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