"God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
-C G Jung
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
Under no circumstances considering most candidates campaign to the center or right and then have an about face when they get elected. Besides, D'Ohbama has already proven himself inept, surrounded himself with incompetents, and pretty much tried to get his hands into everything not nailed down......so not just no but HELL NO.
Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.
Last edited by Jucon; 06-24-10 at 12:04 AM.
I hope that the Democrats or Republicans can figure out what to do but if not I feel as you do that many future elections will have 3rd parties gaining my vote.
What you're asking for is a hypothethical with little practical sense. I say that because the level of which he'd need to alter his views to be able to get me to be able to support voting for him in 2012 would be SIGNIFICANTLY raised due to his actions over the past 18 months.
If you had asked this question 36 months ago it would've been simpler. Give me a candidate on the Republican side I'm not hot on, with a legitimate reason to believe Obama is going to attempt to be relatively moderate on most issues, not push any extremely strong liberal agendas, and legitimately work towards REAL bipartisanship where both sides ideas are attempted to be equally represented allowing new ideas fo flourish. I would say that could've gotten my vote for Obama in such a situation, as he's a likable and charismatic figure whose election I could have seen doing good things for the country while his policies were of such that were either verging from bareable to agreeable.
However, asking it of me now, there's little he can really realistically do. At this point he's moved so far to the left on certain issues, has done actions that have so angered and turned me off, that simply a shift to moderate would not actually do anything for me. Cap and Trade, the buying out of industries, the health care plan, the method in which TARP is being executed, his conflicting foreign policy with his foriegn presentation, his lies about being a change to politics as usual, his misrepresentation of post partisanship, his continued and pendemic desire to pass the buck, etc. At this point, due to no actions other than his own, it would take a complete and utter 180 for him to get near my vote.
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.