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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Would he get your vote if he decreased government services and increased taxes in order to pay down the debt the government has already taken on? Not trying to argue with you or anything - it's just that "fiscal conservatives" have many different methods of being fiscally conservative, and I was wondering which methods you'd prefer Obama to pursue.
    Well, frankly, he's not going to do anything of the sort, so it's really a moot point. There's also the issue of character that influences my voting, and he doesn't appear to be rating high on the scale there either.
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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    Quote Originally Posted by jking948 View Post
    Sorry I should have made myself more clear: I mean I could vote for a 3rd party, I feel as if I am throwing my vote away if I do, but if it comes down to that and not voting I will clearly vote for the 3rd party.
    Other than the democrats and republicans trying to weasel out the competition this is why we are basically stuck with a two party monopoly. I believe in voting for the candidate you feel is the right man for the job. Not the candidate that is the lesser or two evils or who or the candidate you think has a better shot.
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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Other than the democrats and republicans trying to weasel out the competition this is why we are basically stuck with a two party monopoly. I believe in voting for the candidate you feel is the right man for the job. Not the candidate that is the lesser or two evils or who or the candidate you think has a better shot.
    Thats great that you feel that way, I do also. But until EVERY OTHER PERSON in this country person feels that way it doesn't matter. The simple truth is a lot of the general public doesn't even know there are more then 2 parties. Also many people are told as children and then further on that voting for a 3rd party is a throw away vote. Now I would never vote for the lesser of two evils or who has the better shot, I will vote for who I think is best and if neither work for me then I will go 3rd party.

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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Other than the democrats and republicans trying to weasel out the competition this is why we are basically stuck with a two party monopoly. I believe in voting for the candidate you feel is the right man for the job. Not the candidate that is the lesser or two evils or who or the candidate you think has a better shot.
    Thats great that you feel that way, I do also. But until EVERY OTHER PERSON in this country person feels that way it doesn't matter. The simple truth is a lot of the general public doesn't even know there are more then 2 parties. Also many people are told as children and then further on that voting for a 3rd party is a throw away vote. Now I would never vote for the lesser of two evils or who has the better shot, I will vote for who I think is best and if neither work for me then I will go 3rd party.

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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Would he get your vote if he decreased government services and increased taxes in order to pay down the debt the government has already taken on? Not trying to argue with you or anything - it's just that "fiscal conservatives" have many different methods of being fiscally conservative, and I was wondering which methods you'd prefer Obama to pursue.
    I would be fine with that as long as the money being spent was being spent well, both the debt and the deficit were being decreased, and, when the budget problems were dealt with, taxes were lowered instead of government services being expanded.

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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    Under no circumstances considering most candidates campaign to the center or right and then have an about face when they get elected. Besides, D'Ohbama has already proven himself inept, surrounded himself with incompetents, and pretty much tried to get his hands into everything not nailed down......so not just no but HELL NO.
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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Let me know when you find a Republican who would actually do that.
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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    Quote Originally Posted by jking948 View Post
    Thats great that you feel that way, I do also. But until EVERY OTHER PERSON in this country person feels that way it doesn't matter. The simple truth is a lot of the general public doesn't even know there are more then 2 parties. Also many people are told as children and then further on that voting for a 3rd party is a throw away vote. Now I would never vote for the lesser of two evils or who has the better shot, I will vote for who I think is best and if neither work for me then I will go 3rd party.
    I personally don't know anyone who doesn't know there are more than two parties, though I do agree that most people probably feel they are wasting their vote by choosing a third party candidate. I will more than likely be voting for a 3rd party candidate in many of the future elections... but I guess it depends on who's running. Both parties have proven to me that they are incapable of working from the middle. Who ever has the majority runs the show. I think there needs to be a third major party (preferable moderate / centrist) to put these people in line. My second choice for a third party honestly would be a conservative party, as they are very passionate about balancing the budget, lowering taxes and ending entitlement programs. I just wish Republicans were actually conservatives like they claim to be...
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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I personally don't know anyone who doesn't know there are more than two parties, though I do agree that most people probably feel they are wasting their vote by choosing a third party candidate. I will more than likely be voting for a 3rd party candidate in many of the future elections... but I guess it depends on who's running. Both parties have proven to me that they are incapable of working from the middle. Who ever has the majority runs the show. I think there needs to be a third major party (preferable moderate / centrist) to put these people in line. My second choice for a third party honestly would be a conservative party, as they are very passionate about balancing the budget, lowering taxes and ending entitlement programs. I just wish Republicans were actually conservatives like they claim to be...
    I agree with you about the types of 3rd parties, I think if a Moderate/Centrist party can't be developed a conservative would be most successful and appealing. Also I guess we may live in different areas but I remember taking an AP US Government class in high school and very few of my class mates new what a libertarian was. I know many adults(parents and friends of) who think there is ONE 3rd party and that is the "Independent" party, lol.'
    I hope that the Democrats or Republicans can figure out what to do but if not I feel as you do that many future elections will have 3rd parties gaining my vote.

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    Re: Hey Conservatives...Could Obama win your vote for 2012 if he...?

    What you're asking for is a hypothethical with little practical sense. I say that because the level of which he'd need to alter his views to be able to get me to be able to support voting for him in 2012 would be SIGNIFICANTLY raised due to his actions over the past 18 months.

    If you had asked this question 36 months ago it would've been simpler. Give me a candidate on the Republican side I'm not hot on, with a legitimate reason to believe Obama is going to attempt to be relatively moderate on most issues, not push any extremely strong liberal agendas, and legitimately work towards REAL bipartisanship where both sides ideas are attempted to be equally represented allowing new ideas fo flourish. I would say that could've gotten my vote for Obama in such a situation, as he's a likable and charismatic figure whose election I could have seen doing good things for the country while his policies were of such that were either verging from bareable to agreeable.

    However, asking it of me now, there's little he can really realistically do. At this point he's moved so far to the left on certain issues, has done actions that have so angered and turned me off, that simply a shift to moderate would not actually do anything for me. Cap and Trade, the buying out of industries, the health care plan, the method in which TARP is being executed, his conflicting foreign policy with his foriegn presentation, his lies about being a change to politics as usual, his misrepresentation of post partisanship, his continued and pendemic desire to pass the buck, etc. At this point, due to no actions other than his own, it would take a complete and utter 180 for him to get near my vote.

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