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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I am not familiar with the life and times of Thomas Jefferson. I know he was responsible for the clause of separation of church and state. I am pretty sure I read before he was atheist? Your welcome to correct me on any of that. Not embarrassed to admit I don't know something.
    He was definitely not an atheist. He wrote the words "seperation of church and state" in a letter. He didn't think government should have anything to do with religion.

    In a letter to Benjamin Rush he said...."T]he clause of the Constitution which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes and they believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly. "

    He wanted to prevent the establishment of a certain denomination of Christianity in our country. Therefore, he wrote to the Danbury Baptists to assure them that their freedom of religion would never been interfered with by government....

    "Gentlemen, – The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association give me the highest satisfaction. . . . Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association assurances of my high respect and esteem.


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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Here's what he said about the Bible.

    "In extracting the pure principles which he taught, we should have to strip off the artificial vestments in which they have been muffled by priests, who have travestied them into various forms, as instruments of riches and power to themselves. We must dismiss the Platonists and Plotinists, the Stagyrites and Gamalielites, the Eclectics, the Gnostics and Scholastics, their essences and emanations, their logos and demiurges, aeons and daemons, male and female, with a long train of … or, shall I say at once, of nonsense. We must reduce our volume to the simple evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the amphibologisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves. There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man. I have performed this operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill. The result is an octavo of forty-six pages, of pure and unsophisticated doctrines."


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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Thanks very much. I learned something.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Thanks very much. I learned something.
    It's always good to be open minded.
    Remember though that my comment wasn't advocating for Christian only politicians, merely pointing out Jefferson's beliefs.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Absent any differences in policy positions, I would assume a co-religionist of mine would represent my intrests a little better than someone of no religion.

    If one candidate was an atheist and the other was a Sunni fundamentalist who wanted to institute Sharia, I'd vote for the atheist. Why? Because I would consider policy based on promoting Sharia to be contrary to my intrests.

    That answer the question?
    It does to me, and I am in agreement. I am a spiritual Christian (meaning I am not religious, I don't attend church, but I believe Jesus was who he said he was and did what he came to do). Problems occur when people stop thinking critically and just go "Right then! He's a Christian, I'm a Christian, I'm voting for him". And it happens a lot more often than people would probably wish to believe.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's always good to be open minded.
    Remember though that my comment wasn't advocating for Christian only politicians, merely pointing out Jefferson's beliefs.
    Right well I find some debate from what I read that he was athiestic.. Not saying or caring so much ether way he certainly was a wise man to make acception for church and state, quite unusual.

    Here I see a lot of quotes that certainly would make one question he was not athiest. He was very sympathetic to the cause of atheism. It certainly is an intreging debate none the less.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Right well I find some debate from what I read that he was athiestic.. Not saying or caring so much ether way he certainly was a wise man to make acception for church and state, quite unusual.

    Here I see a lot of quotes that certainly would make one question he was not athiest. He was very sympathetic to the cause of atheism. It certainly is an intreging debate none the less.
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    No doubt at all, he was an interesting man.

    Better than most I say because he wasn't a pretentious ass, like a majority of politicians.
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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Right well I find some debate from what I read that he was athiestic.. Not saying or caring so much ether way he certainly was a wise man to make acception for church and state, quite unusual.

    Here I see a lot of quotes that certainly would make one question he was not athiest. He was very sympathetic to the cause of atheism. It certainly is an intreging debate none the less.
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    He was sympathetic to all religions. He said "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." That doesn't mean he believed in 20 gods or no god, he just didn't care what his neighbor believed. Sounds like a modern-day libertarian to me.

    And to continue to think he was an atheist is just factually incorrect. We have overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    He was sympathetic to all religions. He said "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." That doesn't mean he believed in 20 gods or no god, he just didn't care what his neighbor believed. Sounds like a modern-day libertarian to me.

    And to continue to think he was an atheist is just factually incorrect. We have overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
    Yes I read that in some of the quotes. I think many of them are taken out of context.

    EDIT: like this for example it does not mean he was atheist.
    But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
    Last edited by Gabriel; 06-26-10 at 02:23 AM.

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    Re: Would you vote for an Atheist?

    My biggest concern with an atheist candidate would be if he was one of those militant anti-religious types. Assuming that he wasn't one of those guys and the rest of his positions were largely in line with my views, I'd vote for an athiest without batting an eye.
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