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Thread: Should we trim down our Military????

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    actually, no...that article addresses a portion of exactly what I said. The actual dollars spent on healthcare in the military is higher for the exact reasons I mentioned earlier.
    And the portion it did address showed that at least one of the numbers you claimed(50b for direct health care costs) is wrong. Considering that you did not source any of the numbers you claimed, and the one I checked is well wrong, I have no reason to believe that your other numbers are even remotely right.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    I'm not a big fan of wikipedia but eveyone else seems to like it so check this out: Military Health System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Specifically:

    The MHS executes a $42 billion budget and serves approximately 9.5 million beneficiaries, including Active Duty personnel and their families and retirees and their families.The actual cost of having a government run health care system for the military is higher [be]cause the wages and benefits paid for military personnel who work for the MHS and the retirees who formerly worked for it, is not included in the budget. MHS employs more than 137,000 personnel in 65 hospitals, 412 clinics, and 414 dental clinics at facilities across the nation and around the world, as well as in contingency and combat-theater operations worldwide.
    and: http://www.defense.gov/news/2010%20B...20Proposal.pdf

    used to show percenatage of US military facilities which are hospital or medical related: http://www.acq.osd.mil/ie/download/b...08Baseline.pdf

    sate of military healthcare: At U.S. military hospitals, 'everybody is overworked' - USATODAY.com

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    SO in what world does 42 = 50?
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And the portion it did address showed that at least one of the numbers you claimed(50b for direct health care costs) is wrong. Considering that you did not source any of the numbers you claimed, and the one I checked is well wrong, I have no reason to believe that your other numbers are even remotely right.
    http://www.defense.gov/news/2010%20B...20Proposal.pdf

    Military Healthcare. Within this request, the department fully funds military healthcare,
    which will cost more than $47 billion in fiscal 2010. The Department expects to continue to
    work with the Congress to look for ways to slow the growth of medical costs while continuing to
    provide high-quality care.
    Caring for Our Wounded, Ill, and Injured. The department has no greater priority than
    providing the highest quality support to wounded, ill, and injured soldiers, sailors, airmen,
    Marines, and their families. The fiscal 2010 budget recognizes this responsibility and provides
    $3.3 billion to support injured service members in their recovery, rehabilitation, and
    reintegration. This funding provides additional case managers and mental health providers, an
    expedited Disability Evaluation System, construction of 12 additional Army Warrior in
    Transition complexes, and continued implementation of Walter Reed National Military Medical
    Center and Fort Belvoir hospital BRAC projects within the National Capital Region. The budget
    also includes $0.4 billion for medical research and development for traumatic brain injury,
    psychological health, and other casualty care issues.
    do the math...just that one "claim" is supported.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    You should check full data, not press releases: http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbu...tification.pdf

    It's 47.4b inclusive, not plus another 3b. And that is next year, not currently. Your least outrageous claim is wrong.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    SO in what world does 42 = 50?
    oh, brother. That number is obviously from a previous year....the point is:

    The actual cost of having a government run health care system for the military is higher [be]cause the wages and benefits paid for military personnel who work for the MHS and the retirees who formerly worked for it, is not included in the budget.
    If you want to believe that the only money used to support healthcare by the military is stamped "healthcare" in the budget....knock yourself out.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You cannot just up and cut 1/3 from the DoD budget though without slamming readiness. Given time for the pentagon to plan for it, and it might be remotely possible, but to just cut it outright would have a major impact. A very large portion of the DoD budget is locked in for several years.
    I would say you are probably correct. My response was more of an absurd response to Goshen's absurd response.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Interesting. I would do the exact opposite. I would cut military spending by 1/3 before I even touched social spending. The level of waste in the DoD is huge. I suppose this issue is a matter of perception.

    It just might have something to do with you being somewhat liberal and me being sorta conservative-ish.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Why don't we just give up on social security? I mean at this point we're just throwing good money after bad. As soon as the remainder of the baby boomers retire, there won't be enough workers to support them and all those neat little statements that show how much I contributed and will get will be moot.

    Why doesn't anyone recognize that social security eats up 20% of the budget while defense eat's up 23%? What do you get for that 20% vs 23%? Let's say we cut the defense budget...first thing to go will be pay and benefits which will lower a sizable contribution to social security. What do we do with the unemployed as a result of the personnel cut?

    What does downsizing get us?



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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It just might have something to do with you being somewhat liberal and me being sorta conservative-ish.
    Gotta be it. Thanks for reminding me.
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