View Poll Results: Should we decrease the size of the U.S. armed forces

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Thread: Should we trim down our Military????

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I've included several options..I think we can easily trim the armed forces in half and still be "safe". Our only threats are at least an ocean away and are not necessarily prominent or technologically advanced.
    I say no. A well trained force is much superior than a drafted force.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say no. A well trained force is much superior than a drafted force.
    i must have missed something. has someone advocated a return to the use of a military draft?
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i must have missed something. has someone advocated a return to the use of a military draft?
    If you reduce the military's size then what do you think will happen when a war breaks out? Regardless if there is a draft or they enact bigger cash sign on bonuses or get a duty station in Germany or Japan as a after war sign on Bonus, inexperianced soldiers and marines are not as effective as experienced and well trained soldiers and marines.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    I think there is plenty of room for reduction, but I do agree with Goshin. Even though military spending is a easy and possibly attractive place to cut spending, the bigger priority is social spending. Defense is not only an unquestionably legitimate role of government, its arguably the primary purpose (along with providing internal security through law enforcement and the courts).

    Also cutting our defense spending requires rethinking out foreign policy. We can't make meaningful cuts and continue to play the world's police man or continue to embark on costly nation building expeditions. If took a more non-interventionist policy, acting only when there is a clear and pressing national interest at stake, there is room for plenty of spending cuts in defense. Now I don't want to cut so deeply that we lose our military pre-eminance. I never want to see the U.S. become "just another nation" in terms of military strength, which I know some people would love to see happen. I'm all for cutting our nuclear arsenal as long as we can maintain the thread of MAD against other nuclear powers. And I'm not a fan of cutting R&D spending, as our technological edge is our greatest advantage and often military technological advances bleed over into the commercial market.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    I don't agree with cutting the size of the military, but do agree with making military spending more efficient. I don't know the best way to do this, but I know there are certainly places where it can be done. I have seen needless paperwork and overreactions cost the Navy at least tons of money. Also, although they claim the shipyard workers cost less to employ than military personnel, I would still argue that if there was a better way of instilling a sailor mentality into the shipyarders' work ethic, more would get done at less cost. We were all about getting a job done right, and going on liberty. The less time spent on the boat, particularly avoiding rework, the better morale was and the happier we were. I don't know much about the other branches inefficient spending. Some of the basics are probably the same, such as too much for parts and tools because of contracts.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I agree some trimmage of some of the excesses could be a good thing, BUT....


    I think we need to cut social spending in half before we touch the military budget. It's the social spending that is killing our budget and bankrupting us. A third of our budget is DEBT... and one way or another the bulk of that budget is social spending. (ie wealth redistribution)
    Interesting. I would do the exact opposite. I would cut military spending by 1/3 before I even touched social spending. The level of waste in the DoD is huge. I suppose this issue is a matter of perception.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you reduce the military's size then what do you think will happen when a war breaks out? Regardless if there is a draft or they enact bigger cash sign on bonuses or get a duty station in Germany or Japan as a after war sign on Bonus, inexperianced soldiers and marines are not as effective as experienced and well trained soldiers and marines.
    i can then conclude your position is we must maintain a multi-theatre sized volunteer military at all times, as a contingency for a massive war
    is there anything less efficient than that?
    having a ramped up military with no war to fight ... or is that why we find "opportunities" to use the military we have bought and paid for?
    seems an unaffordable luxury with negaitive consequences
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well this is interesting...Pentagon fears healthcare costs will erode readiness - The Boston Globe



    Looks like, since I took the time to look up your claim(something you should have done), I can document that...you are wrong, way wrong.
    actually, no...that article addresses a portion of exactly what I said. The actual dollars spent on healthcare in the military is higher for the exact reasons I mentioned earlier.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Think of the good we would do if we were to cut spending in half and use that money saved to feed the hungry and supply medicine to the sick all over the world, surely that would do much more good than occupying and liberating middle eastern countries who want nothing to do with us.
    The US military does not good? What about Tsunami relief? Haiti? Humanitarian missions are huge expenses of defense dollars. Should we cut that ability too?

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Interesting. I would do the exact opposite. I would cut military spending by 1/3 before I even touched social spending. The level of waste in the DoD is huge. I suppose this issue is a matter of perception.
    You cannot just up and cut 1/3 from the DoD budget though without slamming readiness. Given time for the pentagon to plan for it, and it might be remotely possible, but to just cut it outright would have a major impact. A very large portion of the DoD budget is locked in for several years.
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