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Thread: Should we trim down our Military????

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    There's no way the U.S. can cut back on military spending right now, given how may campaigns it is involved in. I don't think the U.S. gov will ever voluntarily choose to cut back on military willingly. There would have to be severe economic crisis in order for it to be compelled to do so.

    One of the more effective ways of shredding debt is to acquire more capital assets, and one way of doing that is through the expansion of military assets and the acquiring of foreign assets. The U.S. bases all around the world either support diplomatic or security ties which in turn increase economic partnerships, or they are involved in campaigns which will bring resources to the U.S., such as oil. As long as the military is involved in activities that increase assets, their function is helping the U.S. and not hindering it.

    The main concern is whether or not those assets are going into public or private hands. If the latter, then the military is just distributing risk to the public coffers while privatizing the gains. That would be typical of the neo-con agenda that is on the increase in the western world.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    There's no way the U.S. can cut back on military spending right now, given how may campaigns it is involved in. I don't think the U.S. gov will ever voluntarily choose to cut back on military willingly. There would have to be severe economic crisis in order for it to be compelled to do so.
    i could not disagree more
    what further economic crisis is requried to recognize that during the last regime our nation went from being the world's greatest creditor nation to become the world's foremost debtor nation
    we are eating our seed corn
    as for the extant military engagements, please identify the objective we must attain in afghanistan before we will be able to declare victory and withdraw our troops ... you will be the rare individual if you are able to identify the purpose of our presence in that nation

    One of the more effective ways of shredding debt is to acquire more capital assets, ...
    that makes no fiscal sense. yes, the balance sheet would be improved, but there is no resulting diminishment of liabilities

    ... and one way of doing that is through the expansion of military assets and the acquiring of foreign assets.
    by acquiring foreign assets, you man taking them thru military force, don't you. that should not be upsetting to the international community [/sarcasm]

    The U.S. bases all around the world either support diplomatic or security ties which in turn increase economic partnerships, ...
    we have those numerous military installations in other countries. the purpose isonly to project power. but if you disagree, let's use okinawa as an example. how is our economic wellbeing furthered by the US military presence on that island?

    ... or they are involved in campaigns which will bring resources to the U.S., such as oil.
    why can our nation not acquire those resources, such as oil by buying them on the open market instead of acquiring them by virtue of our military presence?

    As long as the military is involved in activities that increase assets, their function is helping the U.S. and not hindering it.
    this pirate plunder philosophy you advocate, the taking by force the resources of others, certainly does have a negative, chilling effect, on our foreign relationships

    The main concern is whether or not those assets are going into public or private hands. If the latter, then the military is just distributing risk to the public coffers while privatizing the gains. That would be typical of the neo-con agenda that is on the increase in the western world.
    our nation is engaging in the same folly of the romans
    we have stretched our military presence beyond the bounds which our national economy can afford
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i could not disagree more
    what further economic crisis is requried to recognize that during the last regime our nation went from being the world's greatest creditor nation to become the world's foremost debtor nation
    we are eating our seed corn
    as for the extant military engagements, please identify the objective we must attain in afghanistan before we will be able to declare victory and withdraw our troops ... you will be the rare individual if you are able to identify the purpose of our presence in that nation


    that makes no fiscal sense. yes, the balance sheet would be improved, but there is no resulting diminishment of liabilities


    by acquiring foreign assets, you man taking them thru military force, don't you. that should not be upsetting to the international community [/sarcasm]


    we have those numerous military installations in other countries. the purpose isonly to project power. but if you disagree, let's use okinawa as an example. how is our economic wellbeing furthered by the US military presence on that island?


    why can our nation not acquire those resources, such as oil by buying them on the open market instead of acquiring them by virtue of our military presence?


    this pirate plunder philosophy you advocate, the taking by force the resources of others, certainly does have a negative, chilling effect, on our foreign relationships


    our nation is engaging in the same folly of the romans
    we have stretched our military presence beyond the bounds which our national economy can afford
    I think you're confusing my personal position with my analysis of the situation. I don't necessarily advocate the things I said, but as a realist, you have to look at the way things operate with a hawk eye. As the U.S. is a rational state actor wanting to preserve itself out of self-interest, I am simply giving some suggestions for what it would reaistically have to do to stay afloat in the current climate.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    I think people also have to realize Technology trumps man power...We could make do in the campaigns we are involved in with many less troops.

    The Chinese military dwarfs Japans but you won't find anybody picking China to win if they were to wage war.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I think people also have to realize Technology trumps man power...We could make do in the campaigns we are involved in with many less troops.

    The Chinese military dwarfs Japans but you won't find anybody picking China to win if they were to wage war.
    This is only true to an extent.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Think of the good we would do if we were to cut spending in half and use that money saved to feed the hungry and supply medicine to the sick all over the world, surely that would do much more good than occupying and liberating middle eastern countries who want nothing to do with us.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I've included several options..I think we can easily trim the armed forces in half and still be "safe". Our only threats are at least an ocean away and are not necessarily prominent or technologically advanced.
    I think we can safetly trim where our military is deployed. I don't think we need the military bases around the world or to be involved in wars which have little to nothing to do with our national sovereignty. As for the military itself, I like it. The military pushes a lot of research, including base scientific research; which is always good. And a strong military is essential and benefitial, so I'd keep it around in all its glory. I just wouldn't run around the globe using it. Less the sovereignty of America was directly attacked, and then there would be none of this 'building democracy" or whatever other nation building policy we've taken. You go it, you break their ****, you make them surrender, you go home.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I think people also have to realize Technology trumps man power...We could make do in the campaigns we are involved in with many less troops.

    The Chinese military dwarfs Japans but you won't find anybody picking China to win if they were to wage war.
    no competition
    the JDF would lose
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Think of the good we would do if we were to cut spending in half and use that money saved to feed the hungry and supply medicine to the sick all over the world, surely that would do much more good than occupying and liberating middle eastern countries who want nothing to do with us.
    It does not work like this. The economic impact of cutting the military budget in half would be immense.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think we can safetly trim where our military is deployed. I don't think we need the military bases around the world or to be involved in wars which have little to nothing to do with our national sovereignty. As for the military itself, I like it. The military pushes a lot of research, including base scientific research; which is always good. And a strong military is essential and benefitial, so I'd keep it around in all its glory. I just wouldn't run around the globe using it. Less the sovereignty of America was directly attacked, and then there would be none of this 'building democracy" or whatever other nation building policy we've taken. You go it, you break their ****, you make them surrender, you go home.
    Yeah but the U.S. needs external resources to survive at this point. Even water is becoming an issue. What can't be acquired diplomatically has to be taken by force for survival. The military is going to become a mercenary force before long.

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