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Thread: Should we trim down our Military????

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You do realize that two thirds of the Defense budget is eaten up by healthcare, right? Our military is currently undermanned for the requirements it's under and due to this the amount of time any individual service member is deployed away from home has increased 200-300% since 9/11. The average deployment has changed from 6 months to a year, and now service members on the "home cycle" are often deployed individually from their own units to augment deployed units? But, you know that right? Compensation such has reenlistment bonus have been cut drastically across the board and this year we received the lowest cost of living increase ever. You already knew that, right?
    i call BS on those two bogus points made above ... that 2/3 of the DoD budget is consumed as healthcare expense and that this years cost of living was the lowest EVER

    but prove me wrong and offer evidence to support those false assertions
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yet there are probably excesses and waste that can be trimmed - it may be minor relative to other areas of cuts, but they should be explored and identified. Given our current economic state, I would agree with you that force size and even some R&D manufacture should be deemed necessary and overall should not be cut. Until the world becomes a safer place, I cannot see a day we could close most of the foreign bases and take a more geocentric defensive stance. We need the rest of the world to step up to the responsibility of holding other country's accountable and responsible and that hasn't happened since WWII.
    I absolutely agree that excesses and waste can be trimmed. When I served it was sad that we could get better quality tools to work at home than we could to work on 18 mil dollar aircraft, and at 1/4 the price. I also point to my favorite example of the base closure commissions that Bush the elder started and Clinton continued, that identified bases that could be closed without hampering readiness. The base I was stationed at, NAS Cecil Fields was one of those targeted and closed. The squadrons where moved to NAS Oceana among others, where there was room for them, and a 2500 acre facility was closed, which was rather expensive to run. The base closures actually made the military more "ready", while eliminating considerable cost.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I've included several options..I think we can easily trim the armed forces in half and still be "safe". Our only threats are at least an ocean away and are not necessarily prominent or technologically advanced.
    They have been - only not quite what you might be thinking (you're thinking personnel). . . as was already mentioned - nuclear departments and things of that like have been slowly reduced.

    But also overall military installations opened and operated have been closed.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    I agree some trimmage of some of the excesses could be a good thing, BUT....


    I think we need to cut social spending in half before we touch the military budget. It's the social spending that is killing our budget and bankrupting us. A third of our budget is DEBT... and one way or another the bulk of that budget is social spending. (ie wealth redistribution)

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I agree some trimmage of some of the excesses could be a good thing, BUT....


    I think we need to cut social spending in half before we touch the military budget. It's the social spending that is killing our budget and bankrupting us. A third of our budget is DEBT... and one way or another the bulk of that budget is social spending. (ie wealth redistribution)
    Goshin, it is spending, period. The military budget is a huge portion of our spending, and in some ways it is among the easiest to cut. Social Security and Medicare are the biggest portion of social spending(and do need reformed), but realistically, they are incredibly hard to cut. If we want to be serious about debt reduction, the military has to be one of the first things looked at.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    And, keep in mind that the DoD budget is less then 4% of GDP.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    I think we should increase the size and power of our military. However, we can cut out a lot of the waste and drop programs and research that just aren't feasible. We need a strong military, especially with how the world is now.
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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i call BS on those two bogus points made above ... that 2/3 of the DoD budget is consumed as healthcare expense and that this years cost of living was the lowest EVER

    but prove me wrong and offer evidence to support those false assertions
    About 50 Billion is directly identifiable as healthcare expense, 117 billion to morale and welfare which are indirectly healthcare programs. Neither of these address salary and training of military healthcare professionals which comes from a different budget as well as maintenance and operation of military hospitals, which comes from facilities budgets. Further hospital ship and field hospitals come from expeditionary budgets. I'm not going to do all this math for you, because it's just a waste of time, suffice it to say a few Google searches will get you the info you need. As far as the pay raise, President Obama proposes a 1.4% pay raise for fy2011. It won't be to hard for you to figure out how that holds up to past military pay raises. you might also want to look into the military to civilian pay gap....see what that tells ya. That's about as much as I'm going to give you as "evidence to support my false assertions." I am a little amused that you paid ZERO attention to the personnel toll our troops are experiencing, and jumped on the budget claims without actually looking into it.

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Goshin, it is spending, period. The military budget is a huge portion of our spending, and in some ways it is among the easiest to cut. Social Security and Medicare are the biggest portion of social spending(and do need reformed), but realistically, they are incredibly hard to cut. If we want to be serious about debt reduction, the military has to be one of the first things looked at.
    It's less then 4% of GDP....just sayin....

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    Re: Should we trim down our Military????

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's less then 4% of GDP....just sayin....
    Apples, and oranges. Defense spending is 23 % of the Federal budget, and far and away the largest discretionary spending item.

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