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    Is the USA skrewed?

    Pretty self explanatory? Do you think we will ever be able to recover environmentally, politically, and economically? I honestly dont.

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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Easily. If you're asking if we'll ever make it back to Clinton levels, I'm not sure. But quit painting this a doomsday scenario. Business cycles do exist, you know...unless you're one of those Marxists.

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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Easily. If you're asking if we'll ever make it back to Clinton levels...
    The "Clinton levels".... of what?

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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Yeah, really - of what?

    We'll have surges of income like we did when Clinton was in office - we'll also have presidents who only gain poll-traction when they toot their horn on a TV show geared towards their minority constituents.
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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah, really - of what?

    We'll have surges of income like we did when Clinton was in office - we'll also have presidents who only gain poll-traction when they toot their horn on a TV show geared towards their minority constituents.

    Environmentally we have no problems. The cap and tax bill Obama wants will increase the cost of everything. It will take generations to pay down Obama's spending and debt

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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    If anyone can recover, it's the US. Population density in Europe is beyond control (mostly double or triple ours) and the developing world (including China) is still busy doing damage we stopped in the mid 20th century. China is devoid of real environmental regulations and even basic human rights - it's extremely fragile. So don't worry too much about us in particular. If we can't pull out of the dive, no one else can.


    Your question (the OP), given reasonable knowledge of damage and capability to recover, would more aptly be put "Is civilization skrewed?"
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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Forget economically. We've been through the Great Depression and could easily handle that again. Environmental problems are constantly being worked on and improved. The smog in LA in 1965 could burn your eyes out. Politics have always been the same. Honestly, that's not even an important issue.

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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    We are most definitely screwed in some ways....
    Selfish people of today and yesterday have mortgaged the future, and it will be our grandkids who will pay the price. Our standard of living will drop for a large percentage of us, but that will likely be a good thing. We won't recover until our expectations are lowered, and we learn to pay now for what we consume now....
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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Easily. If you're asking if we'll ever make it back to Clinton levels, I'm not sure. But quit painting this a doomsday scenario. Business cycles do exist, you know...unless you're one of those Marxists.
    This isn't a business cycle. They destroyed the housing sector by manipulating demand. They sent manufacturing jobs overseas. We are dependant on other countries for our energy. We are buried in debt. It will be decades before we recover, if we ever do. The best times most likely are behind us.

    Greed has destroyed this country.
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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    Pretty self explanatory? Do you think we will ever be able to recover environmentally, politically, and economically? I honestly dont.
    Environmentally - As long as we don't see any sudden changes (i.e. total environmental collapse, followed or preceded by abrupt climate change), we'll be fine. We'll eventually transition to solar power instead of fossil fuels, and we'll have geoengineering techniques at our disposal to clean up existing damage. In fact, I would argue that we've ALREADY started to recover environmentally. We reached our low point decades ago, but environmental laws have ended some of the most egregious abuses.

    Politically - I'm not sure what, specifically, you're referring to here. "Recover" implies that you aren't satisfied with the way things are now. Do you mean there's a guy in the White House you don't like, or do you mean in a more general sense?

    Economically - Yeah, we'll recover. Recessions never have lasted forever, and I see no reason to expect this one to be any different. Technically, our economy has been booming for a year now...it just doesn't feel like it because we endured such a collapse the previous year, and unemployment continued to rise until about six months ago.
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