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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Have you ever seen debt like this before? Have you ever seen zero percent interest rates before? Have you ever seen economic collapses on a global scale before? Have you ever seen the number of foreclosure like this before? Have you ever seen the loss of jobs to other countries like this before? Have you ever been so dependant on foriegn oil before? Have you ever seen so many people getting close to retirement age before? Have you ever seen the market lose 50% of it's value before? Have you ever seen us having to pay for two wars at the same time before?

    If you start looking at all the variables, we have never been in this position before and it would take a miracle to pull us out of it. Sure the country will survive, the rich will still be rich, but the quality of life for most Americans will take a drastic turn for the worse.

    Yes, I remember Carter and the 70's.

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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes, I remember Carter and the 70's.
    And the runaway inflation he inherited from the Republicans? Or do you have a selective memory?


    There was no recession during the Carter years. GDP grew every year. Wages did keep up with inflation. People were buying homes even with 12% mortgages, They weren't losing them. Gas prices shot up, only for a short while, but gas prices skyrocketed under Nixon too. Remember the first Arab oil embargo? Unemployment was worse under Reagan. The Carter years were blown way out of proportion by the republican spin machine. The same one the made Reagan out to be some kind of hero.
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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Easily. If you're asking if we'll ever make it back to Clinton levels, I'm not sure. But quit painting this a doomsday scenario. Business cycles do exist, you know...unless you're one of those Marxists.
    The biggest problem with Socialists who ostensibly want the best of everything for everyone, is that they forget who actually winds up paying for all the largesse they spread around.

    With Communists, they know who pays for it and they do not care, woe betide anyone who speaks differently.

    All the time that the USA is bound by chains we shall languish in the doldrums, our power, such as it is will dwindle ever more away.

    Remove the chains and it is possible for the US to recover, once more to be respected throughout the world.

    Keep the chains and the US will become much like any other supplicant 3rd world Country.

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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    And the runaway inflation he inherited from the Republicans? Or do you have a selective memory?


    There was no recession during the Carter years. GDP grew every year. Wages did keep up with inflation. People were buying homes even with 12% mortgages, They weren't losing them. Gas prices shot up, only for a short while, but gas prices skyrocketed under Nixon too. Remember the first Arab oil embargo? Unemployment was worse under Reagan. The Carter years were blown way out of proportion by the republican spin machine. The same one the made Reagan out to be some kind of hero.
    You should always seek the truth, not what they want you to believe.
    Carter was a dolt and what he did to Olympians who wanted to compete under the IOC flag (as the Brits did) should have caused him to be impeached and sued into the poor house. Perception is important-many people Lionize John Kennedy not because he actually did much of anything but because he inspired people. Carter was the anti Kennedy. He caused a perception of Malaise



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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Carter was a dolt and what he did to Olympians who wanted to compete under the IOC flag (as the Brits did) should have caused him to be impeached and sued into the poor house. Perception is important-many people Lionize John Kennedy not because he actually did much of anything but because he inspired people. Carter was the anti Kennedy. He caused a perception of Malaise
    You're pissed at Carter because of the Olympics? Laugh my ass off. You need to get a life.
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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Carter was a dolt and what he did to Olympians who wanted to compete under the IOC flag (as the Brits did) should have caused him to be impeached and sued into the poor house. Perception is important-many people Lionize John Kennedy not because he actually did much of anything but because he inspired people. Carter was the anti Kennedy. He caused a perception of Malaise
    He did raise a decent point, which is that Carter, while by no means a bad president, does get unfairly blamed for problems that where not his. It was not Carter that caused the ungodly economy we suffered through during his administration, though Carter did nothing to solve the problem either. Thankfully, the economy does cycle, and by the time Reagan took office(some one who is unduly enshrined) things did reach far enough into recovery that things did get better.

    On Kennedy: I have said this before, but I think a large part of the strong positive reaction Kennedy receives is due to his being assassinated in office. It was a strong shock to America, and turned him into something of a martyr. His approval numbers while in office where good, but not particularly exceptional.
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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    And the runaway inflation he inherited from the Republicans? Or do you have a selective memory?


    There was no recession during the Carter years. GDP grew every year. Wages did keep up with inflation. People were buying homes even with 12% mortgages, They weren't losing them. Gas prices shot up, only for a short while, but gas prices skyrocketed under Nixon too. Remember the first Arab oil embargo? Unemployment was worse under Reagan. The Carter years were blown way out of proportion by the republican spin machine. The same one the made Reagan out to be some kind of hero.
    You should always seek the truth, not what they want you to believe.

    Say what you like bud, I was there, and things were bad.

    On top of that my parents went through the Great Depression, and I grew up hearing about how that was. I don't scare easy.

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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Say what you like bud, I was there, and things were bad.

    On top of that my parents went through the Great Depression, and I grew up hearing about how that was. I don't scare easy.
    I was there too. Tell me what was so bad about it for you? High gas prices? High interest rates? Wow. Reagans first term was worse.

    The truth is painful for right wingers, but Carter's term really was not as bad as they would like you to believe. There was no long term unemployment. No foreclosures and no banks failures. Jobs were not lost overseas. It got slow for a few months but GDP always grew. Big deal.
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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Thanks to parents who did it all wrong I had a perfectly goog example of how NOT to do things....
    A little paranoia goes a long way, and I learned early to be careful trusting others. There is only one person truly interested in your personal economics, and that is YOU. Everybody else is just looking to use your money to "earn" an income for themselves....
    I was carefull who I married, to avoid getting a wife like my mother was, who was not to be trusted with anything more than a household budget and allowance.
    I got training (thank you Uncle Sam) so I wouldn't be like my dad who at age 38 discovered it is hard to support a wife and 5 kids on a nightwatchmans income.
    The wife and I educated ourselves past what our job requirements dictated, earned good incomes, spent only half of it, saved and invested the rest. We lost money on every "bust" from Enron on, but over all made more good decisions than bad. We are well off now, and spending money to help stimulate the local economy.
    We had friends who didn't have our paranoia, and didn't want any advice from us. Many of those friends earned good incomes, but spent all of it and more.

    The govt isn't the only entity that we can blame for this mess...
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    Re: Is the USA skrewed?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    It's a cop out to blame all boomers for our problems. Most boomers served their country, worked hard, raised families, paid their taxes and built this country into the most prosperous nation in the world. You do know that over 3 million boomers served in Vietnam, don't you?
    I didn't blame the Baby Boomers for ALL our problems.... just the majority of them. You did not build this country into the most prosperous nation in the world, the previous generations, especially the so-called "G.I." generation born 1902-1924, did. Most Baby Boomers did not serve their country, though, as I have said, some honorably did. But, not surprisingly, the hallmark Baby Boomers that came out of that service(John Kerry, Oliver Stone) derided their service and the effort they participated in. On the other hand, those who served honorably and supported the effort were not Baby Boomers. Again, I'm sure there are people that don't befit the quintessential Baby Boomer... but that's not what defines generations.

    And, no offense, I really don't think you should tread water into the family values arena in respect to Baby Boomers when Baby Boomers have 3x the divorce rate comparative to their parent generation.

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