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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Loving vs Virginia said marriage is a right.
    Marriage is a right.

    A right to those who meet the criteria.

    See my post #159. Edited for clarification.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 06-22-10 at 10:53 AM.

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Marriage is a right.

    A right to those who meet the criteria.

    See my post #159. Edited for clarification.
    The criteria you proclaim are unequal

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The criteria you proclaim are unequal
    We will just have to agree to disagree on that.

    I'm curious.

    Why do you suppose Obama dropped his challenge to the defense of marriage act?

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    We will just have to agree to disagree on that.

    I'm curious.

    Why do you suppose Obama dropped his challenge to the defense of marriage act?
    Wow, you certainly bounce around quite a bit. Marriage is not a right, wait, marriage is a right if it meets certain criteria that limits it to certain people who believe the way I do.

    President Obama wants to seek a legislative change to DOMA - "Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said that President Obama “has said he wants to see a legislative repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act because it prevents LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) couples from being granted equal rights and benefits," she said. "However, until Congress passes legislation repealing the law, the administration will continue to defend the statute when it is challenged in the justice system."

    I think this is a mistake and a law denying people their rights should be changed as quickly as possible.
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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Wow, you certainly bounce around quite a bit. Marriage is not a right, wait, marriage is a right if it meets certain criteria that limits it to certain people who believe the way I do.

    President Obama wants to seek a legislative change to DOMA - "Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said that President Obama “has said he wants to see a legislative repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act because it prevents LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) couples from being granted equal rights and benefits," she said. "However, until Congress passes legislation repealing the law, the administration will continue to defend the statute when it is challenged in the justice system."

    I think this is a mistake and a law denying people their rights should be changed as quickly as possible.
    But I thought that O'Bummer was a "Constitutional Law Professor."

    No?
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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    But I thought that O'Bummer was a "Constitutional Law Professor."

    No?
    Why in the world would you cite someone you obviously have no respect for?

    Perhaps seeing the bigger picture as president he thinks a legislative change is better than a judicial one. Maybe he is right and I am just impatient. Nonetheless, it doesn't change the fact that you are trying to justify, through some convoluted and misguided method, denying rights to consenting adults who are hurting no one. That I cannot abide. You have every right to believe as you do, but that right stops when you try to force that belief to influence the behavior or rights of others. I of course understand that you personally are stopping nothing but what I find repulsive is that any individual would want to deny rights to people in a healthy loving marriage just because they are the same gender.

    Frankly, I am done talking about this. Your condescension and holier than thou attitude, when you don't have a leg to stand on, borders on insulting. This entire thread has become this extremely unpleasant. So you can quote me, and for some reason put some of my words in bold. Post your little quip and think you've won, but you and I know the truth. The desire to deny rights to people just because you don't like them or you think they are somehow less than you is bigotry.
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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Why in the world would you cite someone you obviously have no respect for?
    Because I expect you probably do?

    As for the rest of your post,... I've already explained it as best I can.

    "Marriage" is not an unconditional right.

    To have your marriage recognized (licensed) by the government, you have to meet the conditions set for BY the government (hopefully in keeping with the general welfare article 1, section 8).

    People whose relationships fall outside that definition can still get 'married' have unions, contracts, whatever.....

    But to be 'married' and receive the recognition of the government, you have to meet the conditions that they (congress) Constitutionally have the right to set.

    Same as we all do.
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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post

    What you seem to be seeking is legitimacy.
    "Legitimacy" is irrelevant. What people think about it is irrelevant. The only relevant issue is equality within the government and laws. You can marry a woman, so should I be able to. Period.

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    "Legitimacy" is irrelevant. What people think about it is irrelevant. The only relevant issue is equality within the government and laws. You can marry a woman, so should I be able to. Period.
    Using your logic, incest, bigamy, poligamy.... all should be recognized.

    Sorry,... not all marriages "promote the general welfare."

    So, unless and until you can get rid of DOMA,... you can no more marry another woman than I can (giving me two).

    Or maybe, I would like to marry my brother and his wife,.... then we could share a lot more wealth and property.

    After all,... we all love each other unconditionally.

    Oh!

    And our pets.

    We love our pets and demand the right to claim them as our spouses. (for legal purposes only)
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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Using your logic, incest, bigamy, poligamy.... all should be recognized.
    Yes, they should. But that's irrelevant to this conversation.

    Sorry,... not all marriages "promote the general welfare."
    You're right, not all current marriages "promote the general welfare". Which is why the argument is irrelevant.

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