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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is a rather narrow way of looking at it. Especially considering the fact that at the time of Loving v. Virginia, homosexuality was still deemed to be a mental disorder. It has only been in the last 25 or 30 years that medical and psychological organizations in this country have come to classify homosexuality as a normal, healthy lifestyle of humans and has started to believe that a sexuality isn't a person's choice at all.

    The Court had no reason to make such a leap at that time. However, since now it is recognized that homosexuality is most likely not a choice and is a normal, healthy lifestyle, then there is no reason to continue to discriminate against them.
    It is no more an act of discrimiation forthe government to not recognize a gay union than it is a poligamist relationship or an incestual relationship.

    Article 1, section 8 gives the Congress the power and the authority to decide... to "draw" the line,... and their guideline is the "general welfare" clause. Their guidline is not "if you recognize one you must recognize them all."

    Sorry.

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    It is no more an act of discrimiation forthe government to not recognize a gay union than it is a poligamist relationship or an incestual relationship.

    Article 1, section 8 gives the Congress the power and the authority to decide... to "draw" the line,... and their guideline is the "general welfare" clause. Their guidline is not "if you recognize one you must recognize them all."

    Sorry.
    Congress can make limits to marriage, or other things protected under the "Equal Protection Clause", however, to put restrictions on marriage, the state must show that the restriction is "reasonably related" to a legitimate state interest.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Congress can make limits to marriage, or other things protected under the "Equal Protection Clause",
    Actually it's article 1,section 8,... but Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    however, to put (further) restrictions on marriage, the state must show that the restriction is "reasonably related" to a legitimate state interest.
    That's better.

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Actually it's article 1,section 8,... but Thank you.



    That's better.
    No, I am discussing the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. You are the one that keeps bringing up the Article pertaining to what Congress can do. Since we have the Equal Protection Clause and discrimination laws, then they must be used to determine if it is actually Constitutional for Congress to restrict marriage in the promotion of the "general welfare", without an explanation of why such restrictions would be promoting the "general welfare".

    Also, no. Any restrictions placed on marriage must actually meet the reasonably related to a legitimate state interest rule unless it concerns gender or race, and then it would be held at a higher standard, which personally I don't agree with, but we are discussing what is presently applicable to Constitutional law. Someone could challenge the marriage laws regarding the limit of it being between two people only, but they would have to show where it isn't in the state's interest to restrict it far enough to get the SCOTUS to accept their case.
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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, I am discussing the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. You are the one that keeps bringing up the Article pertaining to what Congress can do. Since we have the Equal Protection Clause and discrimination laws, then they must be used to determine if it is actually Constitutional for Congress to restrict marriage in the promotion of the "general welfare", without an explanation of why such restrictions would be promoting the "general welfare".
    And you once again are twisting the DOMA and Congress's definition of marriage.

    It's not a restriction.

    As DOMA points out one State doesn't not have to recognize the same sex unions of another. Rather they can't be forced to recognize them.

    So, clearly if a State wants gay marriage,... they can have it.

    Being treated with indifference is not the same thing as being discriminated against.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 06-21-10 at 05:21 PM.

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'll ask this even though marriage is not mentioned in the clause. Just how does keeping state recognition of gay marriage protect the general welfare of the populace?
    That's one of my thoughts Exactly!

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    That's one of my thoughts Exactly!
    whoops my bad

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'll ask this even though marriage is not mentioned in the clause. Just how does keeping state recognition of gay marriage illegal protect the general welfare of the populace?

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    And you once again are twisting the DOMA and Congress's definition of marriage.

    It's not a restriction.

    As DOMA points out one State doesn't not have to recognize the same sex unionsof another. Rather they can't be forced to recognize them.

    So, clearly if a State wants gay marriage,... they can have it.

    Being treated with indifference is not the same thing as being discriminated against.
    Congress is still not giving an explanation as to why it is not forcing the states to honor the 14th Amendment's Full Faith and Credit Clause, as it must do for any other marriage. And since they aren't even giving an explanation of why not making the FF&CC be honored is reasonably related to a legitimate state interest, then they are wrong. There are good arguments for why it is not reasonably related to a legitimate state interest, so then the proof must be brought out as to why is reasonably related to a legitimate state interest. This could be why the SCOTUS agreed to hear Gil v. Office of Personnel Management. The US government is going to have to explain in this case why it is reasonably related to a legitimate state interest to limit marriage, and the protections, benefits, and privileges that go with it to opposite sex couples only, and restrict these same benefits and privileges from same sex couples.
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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    whoops my bad

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'll ask this even though marriage is not mentioned in the clause. Just how does keeping state recognition of gay marriage illegal protect the general welfare of the populace?
    It doesn't,... but then again, it doesn't have to.

    For the umpteeeenth time "indifference and discrimination are not the same thing."

    A brother can't marry his brother and expect marital benefits (even in a gay marriage is legal State),.... are those brothers being discriminated against?

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    Re: Marriages without children should be dissolved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    It doesn't,... but then again, it doesn't have to.
    Then why did you even bother to bring the clause up in the first place?

    A brother can't marry his brother and expect marital benefits (even in a gay marriage is legal State),.... are those brothers being discriminated against?
    Yes they are being discriminated against because they are related.

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