Asia is a geographic label, right? Indians (and Russians, northeast notwithstanding) don't look like Chinese people. I'm pretty sure the orient is a geographic label, to specify within asia.
Unless you give me a reason to believe oriental is a derogatory term, I'm not buying it. We have oriental resturants here and they don't sell rugs, but they're full of oriental employees.
I need a reason beyond "the term is also used to describe food, objects and culture from the region", I think.
Last edited by ecofarm; 06-17-10 at 06:37 PM.
Orient is the classical reference for the geography of East Asia and especially China, but you don't call people Oriental. They also used to call the area of China and India the "East Indes" but that too was phased out. A lot of East Asians find being called Oriental offensive.
You must give me a reason beyond "the term also describes objects, food and art from the region", I think. And "you can refer to them as east asians also" doesn't really cut mustard intellectually either.
We have American cars, food, culture and people. I'd prefer it were "USian", but I don't find "American" to be derogatory; that'd just be snobbish. So, why is it derogatory (or offensive)? Give me a sound reason.
I was impressed by your first post despite you overlooking other possible factors in their behavior, which is rather suspicious in the first place but could be naivety. The naivety excuse (for ignoring factors beyond race in your assessment of a people) is difficult to accept because you have travelled - and that usually gives a bit of perspective. And now you cannot support this claim about 'oriental' at all - what's going on?
Last edited by ecofarm; 06-17-10 at 06:52 PM.
You'll just have to trust me. Since you can't speak their language and refer to them by what they call themselves, the most polite thing is to just call them Asian.
So it is because of the British use of the term, to include while in the region specifically. Fine, I can see that. I'm not British, so excuse me.
Then you honestly did simply forget to consider other sources (besides race) for a group's behaviour? To think that looks and not culture or goverment determine a people's behavior is rather unusal for someone of some travel. That you thought in the first place that race is an important factor (a factor at all) is kinda messed up. And you pretty much wrote it all off to that, while you were there.
I can't figure out if you are a Chinese person trying to apologize for their government and culture ("I've been there and it's really not so bad"). Or a racist (someone who assumes race would be the main factor in a people's behavior) trying to do I don't know what (reform?).
No offence, I'm not actually accusing anyone of anything... I'm sure it is just my confusion and limited knowledge. But it doesn't make sense to me.
Are you a Chinese racist trying to apologize for tyranny?? - I'm just joking that sentence. -
Last edited by ecofarm; 06-17-10 at 07:10 PM.
All I'm saying is that saying a person is oriental is incorrect.
Everything else is incidental. And my life is very connected to China because of the field I'm in, and the fact that I speak their language, but the beginning was not easy. FYI I am caucasian.
You see that thinking race had anything to do with their behaviour was wrong in the first place, right? And we cannot blame "being around a bunch of them" for fundamentally flawed thought processes.
If so, we're fine.
Last edited by ecofarm; 06-17-10 at 07:14 PM.
Can a person "Become" racist due to events and circumstances?
I couldn't; some people probably could.
It depends upon how their brains work.
People are products of their environment, not their appearance. It's quite that simple. Once one understands this, there is no going back.
Last edited by ecofarm; 06-17-10 at 07:26 PM.