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    Education Experimentation

    I just read an interesting article on Time about paying kids for good grades or other performance

    Pay for Grades: Should Parents Bribe Kids in School? - TIME

    This leads me think, if we are ever going to improve our education system, we are probably going to have to scientifically experiment on populations and find out what actually works instead of relying on things like "common sense", politics, or other unreliable drivers.

    However, I wonder if doing this is unethical.

    What is your opinion, good idea or bad idea?

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    Re: Education Experimentation

    i think its a bad idea, for two reason, first one being, if they'd done that when i was at school, i'd have ended up owing money, and second, i think it could lead to various problems in later life, such as them becoming more demanding for pay rises etc. in later life, which could lead to unemployment for some, and perhaps bring about a "what's in it for me" sort of mentality, which could not onlyu make 'em lazy, but leave altruism laying in the dust.
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    Re: Education Experimentation

    It's a bad idea, an education should be treasured, and made the most of. Not something that kids do only to make a quick buck.

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    Re: Education Experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    i think its a bad idea, for two reason, first one being, if they'd done that when i was at school, i'd have ended up owing money, and second, i think it could lead to various problems in later life, such as them becoming more demanding for pay rises etc. in later life, which could lead to unemployment for some, and perhaps bring about a "what's in it for me" sort of mentality, which could not onlyu make 'em lazy, but leave altruism laying in the dust.
    I agree that it could lead to problems later on. The research himself points a few potential problems actually. However, I still wonder if group experiments are the best option. There is a possible breakthrough in that approach which could make us a much better educated population. That would create all sorts of economic benefits as well.

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    It's a bad idea, an education should be treasured, and made the most of. Not something that kids do only to make a quick buck.
    For some education is valuable on its own. For others it is a means to an end. I cannot objectively tell which is better.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 06-16-10 at 02:43 PM.

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    Re: Education Experimentation

    I'd say there is no one answer. Each child is different. If you are trying to push a kid w/ good grades who tries a little but could try more, perhaps this is the right motivation... so long as you believe they already understand the importance of getting good grades. But for a child who really just doesn't care, if you offer them money, then getting that money will be their only motivation for getting better grades - which shouldn't be the true driving force. It should just be a reward for succeeding with a more 'true' driving force: Their future.

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    Re: Education Experimentation

    I like the way that was done that got the results. My middle school had a similar program to the reading incentive one in his experiment. We had a program where there was a list of books that we could read (most could be found in the library), and there were tests available on computers at school for those books. You got points, determined by the complexity of the book, for passing the test. These points would accumulate for all the tests you passed and could be used to get school supplies and small toys from the English teacher in charge of the program.
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    Re: Education Experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I just read an interesting article on Time about paying kids for good grades or other performance

    Pay for Grades: Should Parents Bribe Kids in School? - TIME

    This leads me think, if we are ever going to improve our education system, we are probably going to have to scientifically experiment on populations and find out what actually works instead of relying on things like "common sense", politics, or other unreliable drivers.

    However, I wonder if doing this is unethical.

    What is your opinion, good idea or bad idea?
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    You can teach children to want to enjoy learning, you don't need to pay them.
    Using money as an incentive is just laziness.
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    Re: Education Experimentation

    IMO some kids are too near sighted. Many do not see the full future value of a good education when they are so young. Especially when the rewards of a good education aren't realized until later in life.

    Just look at exercise. Because some don't see an immediate result, it's hard to stay motivated.

    I wouldn't be against this idea, since money can really motivate people to do better... but I'd rather see students get some kind of prize or privilege instead of money. Maybe earn the right to take a Friday off? Sometimes grades alone aren't a good enough reward.

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    Re: Education Experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    IMO some kids are too near sighted. Many do not see the full future value of a good education when they are so young. Especially when the rewards of a good education aren't realized until later in life.

    Just look at exercise. Because some don't see an immediate result, it's hard to stay motivated.

    I wouldn't be against this idea, since money can really motivate people to do better... but I'd rather see students get some kind of prize or privilege instead of money. Maybe earn the right to take a Friday off? Sometimes grades alone aren't a good enough reward.
    You'd may be surprised but parents are the absolute number 1 reason of why a child does well in school.
    Parents have to believe that education is a worthwhile endeavor and children take their cues from the parent.
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    Re: Education Experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You'd may be surprised but parents are the absolute number 1 reason of why a child does well in school.
    Parents have to believe that education is a worthwhile endeavor and children take their cues from the parent.
    Oh I agree. But clearly many parents are failing their kids.
    Last edited by Jucon; 06-16-10 at 03:14 PM.

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