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    Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Arizona bill would deny citizenship to children of illegal immigrants - CNN.com

    I say yes. Only the U.S.-born children of legal U.S. citizens should be allowed a citizenship. Just because someone slips through our borders and has their child on U.S. soil does not mean they should be given citizenship.

    I hope all states adopt this measure.

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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

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    A problem exists,
    Lets fix it as compassionate men and not reactionary animals.
    Any takers?

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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Yes, but I would not take it away from those who have it already and it needs to be changed federally. I would not expect it to happen immediately, but I think it should happen soon.
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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
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    A problem exists,
    Lets fix it as compassionate men
    and not reactionary animals.
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    A very wise and noble approach.

    I'll take you up on that offer.

    My thoughts are that it should be illegal (if it's not already) to use one aspect of the Constitution to breech or circumvent another. It should be a federal crime (for example) to exploit a loophole that automates citizenship,.... for the sole purpose of gaining access to social programs, medical and welfare assistance.

    Agree?

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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, but I would not take it away from those who have it already and it needs to be changed federally. I would not expect it to happen immediately, but I think it should happen soon.
    I don't like it,... but I tend to agree.

    I don't see how anyone's citizen status can be revoked retroactively and not in some way render everyone elses status equally vulnerable.

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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Letting the children of illegals have citizenship is the equivalent of letting someone keep a piece of stolen property that they bought off a crook seeing how anchor babies were only born here because their parents trespassed into the US. Section 1 of the 14th amendment was not written to apply to anyone born on US soil,it was written to apply to freed slaves. If section 1 of the 14th amendment applied to anyone born on US soil then they would have needed the Indian citizenship act of 1924 and the nationality act of 1940?
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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, but I would not take it away from those who have it already and it needs to be changed federally. I would not expect it to happen immediately, but I think it should happen soon.
    I agree. However IMO US-born children of illegal immigrants who are born AFTER the bill should receive the citizenship of where ever their parents are from and not a U.S. citizenship. I could see it being a problem determining the parents' country of origin if they do not disclose it though.
    Last edited by Jucon; 06-15-10 at 04:02 PM.

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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Without a doubt, legal permanent residents who are not yet citizens and give birth to kids, those kids should automatically be citizens. Otherwise you have the potential for a perpetual class of non-citizen residents and that's just a recipe for trouble. Beyond that, such a situation encourages more immigration. The real question is whether people here illegally should be able to get this as well. Again I say yes for the reason of not creating a perpetual non-citizen class. The border is never going to be secure. The border with Mexico is thousands of miles long and the coastline along the Gulf of Mexico is thousands of miles longer. The United States is a very rich country near a bunch of poor countries and this is going to create a constant desire from people in the poor countries to move to the rich one beyond what our current limits on legal immigration will allow. Finally, companies will always want the cheap labor even if you put harsh penalties (because this will just cause employers to be more careful about not being caught...after all strict enforcement and harsh penalties haven't stopped drug dealing so why should it stop hiring illegals, both are rather profitable). So we're always going to have illegals coming into the country (unless we raise the number of allowed immigrants by a lot) and without a doubt they will have children in this country. We can then either accept millions of dissatisfied, American born and raised people without citizenship rights (which is just a recipe for violence and unrest), or we can make the children citizens.

    Now I know that's not exactly a popular view around here, but rounding up 13 million people hiding in the shadows of society with no real means to track is way less plausible than people seem to think it is, especially when there is money to be made by keeping them hidden by their employers. If you really want to be picky though how about this: the children can be citizens but if their parents are caught they must make the choice between bringing their child back to their home country and having that child forgo American citizenship, or they can put the child up for adoption in America. That would be a law consistent with the rule of law and with avoiding the whole underclass problem. Its not particularly nice but its better than the alternatives.

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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Had we adopted this law in 1795, we would all be illegals.
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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Had we adopted this law in 1795, we would all be illegals.
    Laws should adapt with the times. To be a citizen of this country at that time you pretty much just had to declare yourself one, and meet the requirements that came with it, such as being a white male.

    Things are different now. Our country has established legal procedures to become a citizen if you are a citizen of another country. People who are going through the legal avenues of becoming citizens should expect their children to be legal citizens as well. Those who are not going through legal means of becoming citizens should not expect their children to be citizens automatically. There is a loophole right now that was originally enacted for a different, good reason, that isn't really fair today. It should be changed.
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