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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by fourteenth amendment to the United States Constitution
    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
    Looks like they should not be denied citizenship.
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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Looks like they should not be denied citizenship.
    Which is why that Arizona bill doesn't really pass constitutional muster. However, I think most people believe that the 14th Amendment was meant to cover freed slaves and their children. At that time, I'm sure they never imagined that we would be to a point where it is necessary to regulate the number of people who are coming into our country from other countries. Now it is being used as a loophole. Most likely it should have been changed when we initially enacted immigration laws. But since it wasn't, it would be good to do it now. Since we do have immigration laws, it makes sense that we are trying to regulate citizenship of our country. Rewording the 14th Amendment to excludes making future "anchor babies" citizens doesn't actually take rights away from any US citizens, as long as the wording ensures all US citizens' children are considered citizens.
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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is why that Arizona bill doesn't really pass constitutional muster. However, I think most people believe that the 14th Amendment was meant to cover freed slaves and their children. At that time, I'm sure they never imagined that we would be to a point where it is necessary to regulate the number of people who are coming into our country from other countries. Now it is being used as a loophole. Most likely it should have been changed when we initially enacted immigration laws. But since it wasn't, it would be good to do it now. Since we do have immigration laws, it makes sense that we are trying to regulate citizenship of our country. Rewording the 14th Amendment to excludes making future "anchor babies" citizens doesn't actually take rights away from any US citizens, as long as the wording ensures all US citizens' children are considered citizens.
    Until the constitution is changed, it is still wrong to deny citizenship to people born in this country.
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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Until the constitution is changed, it is still wrong to deny citizenship to people born in this country.
    I do agree with this, which is why I really don't agree with that Arizona law. I understand what they are trying to do, I just think it would work better a different way.
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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    I voted no. Denying someone US citizenship if they are born here is unconstitutional. Unless we amend the constitution no one should have their child's citizenship denied.
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    fyi Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Looks like they should not be denied citizenship.


    I agree.

    But ones brand new subverively obtained "citizenship" shouldn't automatically translate into a "free ride at your fellow citizens expense" either.

    "Ass, Gas or Grass.... No-one rides for free!"

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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    On one hand, I personally think that no one should be automatically granted citizenship just because you were born.

    But on the other hand, the potential for political snafu-ing of a larger test to become a citizen is frightening.
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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Letting the children of illegals have citizenship is the equivalent of letting someone keep a piece of stolen property that they bought off a crook seeing how anchor babies were only born here because their parents trespassed into the US.
    I'm having trouble understanding how this analogy works.
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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Simply if I would want it to be that way or not? Yes, children of illegals should not be citizens.

    Whether its constitutional or not? Yes, it is constitutional that htey're citizens and should be until an amendment is passed

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    Re: Should citizenship be denied to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Had we adopted this law in 1795, we would all be illegals.
    Glad to see you're an advocate of slavery, you know...since you think whatever was the case 200+ years ago should be the same as it is today.


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