View Poll Results: Decriminalize Drugs Or Bloody Drug War?

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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    But drugs are morally reprehensible... aren't they?
    Only when they are abused.

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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    Like taking ecstacy rectally rather than orally? :P

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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    But drugs are morally reprehensible... aren't they?
    To you or to me? You'll let me decide that for myself.

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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    I was just trying to mention that it would be culturally reprehensible to average republicans an their constituents. I do agree with you, its that I don't believe 'republicans' would ever go for it. If they made steps to some limited legalization of marijuana and small amounts of other substances and naturally occurring plants, etc. they'd be my heroes.

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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I was just trying to mention that it would be culturally reprehensible to average republicans an their constituents. I do agree with you, its that I don't believe 'republicans' would ever go for it. If they made steps to some limited legalization of marijuana and small amounts of other substances and naturally occurring plants, etc. they'd be my heroes.
    My parents vote Republican. They are fiscally conservative but socially moderate. Long ago I convinced them that legalization was the right thing to do. They don't think government should be deciding on moral issues unless it harms another. They think that people should be allowed to make poor decisions on their own - it is on them.

    Now, when we talk about not just Republicans, but conservatives, we are talking mainly about social conservatives. Those that still adhere to personal liberty may be swayed by this argument. However, many do not hold personal liberty in high regard; they are big government conservatives. They are the ones who may feel that it is morally reprehensible and thus the role of government is to make such activities illegal. Bastards.

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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Clarification is always good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Yes, that's the difference. How many snitches have had their heads sawed off by RJ Reynolds enforcers in the last year?

    How many people did they kill last year in drive-by cigarette shootings? The anti-drug police force is way more ruthless than any "cigarette cartel".

    And less people will be killed. The prohibition is proof of that. But if you're saying it won't make a difference either way, then the logical solution is to decriminalize drugs and stop wasting taxpayer dollars fighting them.

    I do hear of people beating their wives to death who were not high on weed (or coke for that matter).

    Singaporean Man Kills Daughter Over Cigarettes!
    Exactly my point - the cartels will still be *there* and *together* but they will just function differently. . . they will have something else to focus on if 1 of their cash crops is made legal - it will just shift. Maybe it won't, I might be wrong. But it seems that that once someone only knows how to live by crime then they continue to do so - no matter what.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why should the degree to which a substance affects the person govern whether it is illegal? They should legalize psilocyban.
    Ah - see - I think it highly unwise to have parents doped up (legally) on lsd running around and gutting their children, thinking they're the devil. . .that seems like a situation we should avoid, not promote.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    When was the last time members of opposing cigarette companies gunned down each other, and innocent bystanders, on a city street?

    If illegal drugs were legalized, would they pursue unethical business practices? You betcha. However, would it end organized drug violence? I believe so. Which is why I'm for the legalization and regulation of all drugs.
    See above.

    Would it make a difference? In some ways, sure.
    How much? We don't know.
    What will these cartels do for a living instead? Will they just settle down and become responsible citizens? Doubtful, why would they? They'd just go to something else, for something else. Their main purpose is money - and if they aren't making it as much they'll just get into another ring of business.

    That's my thought, anyway - but because we've never legalized something of this caliper before we don't have a compass on it.
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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Why should the degree to which a substance affects the person govern whether it is illegal? They should legalize psilocyban.
    Ah - see - I think it highly unwise to have parents doped up (legally) on lsd running around and gutting their children, thinking they're the devil. . .that seems like a situation we should avoid, not promote.
    That is on the parents if they do that. That is the exception as well. There are parents who kill their children when drunk, should we go back to making alcohol illegal? No, we shouldn't restrict what one can ingest no matter what it does, they just have to be responsible.

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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That is on the parents if they do that. That is the exception as well. There are parents who kill their children when drunk, should we go back to making alcohol illegal? No, we shouldn't restrict what one can ingest no matter what it does, they just have to be responsible.
    If a parent does ___ drug, abuses and neglects their children as a result of their addiction/use, then they will likely have their children taken away and placed in foster care or care of a family member. That, then, qualifies that care provider for federal/state assistance for food, shelter costs and so on, so forth.

    Unfortunately it's not merely on the shoulders of the parent if society as a whole must fill in for what a parent fails to do.
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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If a parent does ___ drug, abuses and neglects their children as a result of their addiction/use, then they will likely have their children taken away and placed in foster care or care of a family member. That, then, qualifies that care provider for federal/state assistance for food, shelter costs and so on, so forth.

    Unfortunately it's not merely on the shoulders of the parent if society as a whole must fill in for what a parent fails to do.
    I agree with you, but the abuse and neglect that led to the child being taken away has nothing to do with the drugs they took. They were irresponsible parents. Period.

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    Re: Decriminalize Drugs VS Bloody Drug War

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    But drugs are morally reprehensible... aren't they?
    True but its not the government's job to decide what is moral or not.
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