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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    depends, obviously these guys were as able as any rescue crew...


    it's not always the case though.
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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    depends, obviously these guys were as able as any rescue crew...


    it's not always the case though.
    The guides probably *trained* the volunteer rescue crew. LOL

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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The guides probably *trained* the volunteer rescue crew. LOL



    exactly, I think the bitches were jealous.
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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    exactly, I think the bitches were jealous.
    Yeah, I just think they got pissy because the guide in question didn't listen to them. The guides already had a rescue underway, ropes being set up, etc. The guide in question was already about to swim out to the gal while the rest of them finished rigging up the lines. Then the volunteer dudes show up and try to take over the rescue. A rescue that was already underway. They wanted the guides to abandon their rescue and let them start from scratch while this poor girl just sat at there and waited, terrified, freezing, and tired. The guide in question refused to wait and swam out to her while they all measured their dicks. He did it to keep her calm and lucid, to comfort her and to help when they got the ropes in place. And then he gets arrested for endangering their rescue. If anything, it was the rescue squad who endangered the guides rescue.

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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    I'd sue the rescue squad.
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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    This question comes about due to an article a river buddy of mine posted on Facebook.

    Colorado rafting guide arrested after girl's rescue - The Denver Post

    This is why people think that cops are total morons.

    This is a dilemma encountered sometimes by rescue personnel. I worked as a river guide for nearly 10 years full time. Worked Ski Patrol for a number of years, and also worked on an ambulance as an EMT. I've been trained and re-trained in multiple kinds of rescue situations.

    In all of those areas, there are "rules". Set in place mostly to protect one's employer, sometimes the rescuer, and rarely the victim. Sometimes those rules conflict with one another, though. And sometimes they conflict with the reality of a dire situation, and conflict with just plain ole common sense, experience, or compassion.

    I could relay to you story after story related to these types of things, some experienced personally, some witnessed, and some told to me by others.

    But primarily what I'm getting at is that if a rescue is successful, should someone have charges brought against them for not participating in the rescue in the manner in which a lesser trained individual FEELS they should have?

    What I'm getting at is that the girl was rescued. Safely. The guide in this story obviously did not impede anything, even though he was told by (lesser experienced) rescuers not to go out to the victim. Shouldn't HIS experience and training have some bearing on this? If it was just an average person on the sideline who did it, I might agree that they should be reprimanded (though not charged) since most people are not trained to swim in whitewater, not trained to rescue people from life threatening situations, and not trained to deal with people under duress and in a near panicked state. And people not trained in these things are more likely to become a second victim.

    But in this case we're talking about a trained individual. Someone who deals with this daily. Someone who is able to assess the situation and know whether they can make the swim or not, safely. Someone who is able to assess the mental/emotional state of the victim - which is highly important in rescue operations because if someone gets to the point that they are unresponsive, the situation only gets more dire.

    As my EMT instructor told us when he relayed to us what we were "legally" allowed to do with our certification and what reality might actually call for: Err on the side of saving the person's life.

    Should someone be charged if they help someone?
    This is why people think that cops are total morons.

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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    YES
    The LAW above all else, particularly the welfare of man.
    We are a nation of LAWS and lawyers and these things must NEVER change.
    This, of course, excludes the very wealthy corporations and men.

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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Not sure if Good Samaritan laws apply here, but first did the guide act beyond his skill level to help the victim. I would say the answer is NO; in fact he was probably as much an expert as the rescue squad. It's hard to imagine being a guide without any rescue training applicable to the activity.The problem is one of time; is there time to present the documents to prove that the man is qualified? We don't know all of the facts either; usually there is a lot missing from news articles..Another problem, our news "service" is terrible.. I was an EMT once too, and you are allowed to help a victim within your level of skill. That is, if I went out on a call and tried to perform open-heart surgery on a victim......yes, I would get charged. And would you still be charged if the "open-heart" were sucessful?

    We need to be a more compassionate people, and a more hard working nation. These laws must be written to save lives and NOT egos.

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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    No, I dont think a person should be punished for breaking a law, they (s)he did it with the intent to save a life. Laws are ultimately supposed to benefit human beings, safety and human rightswise.

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    Re: Should someone who saves a life be punished if they broke a rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    -- primarily what I'm getting at is that if a rescue is successful, should someone have charges brought against them for not participating in the rescue in the manner in which a lesser trained individual FEELS they should have? --
    If other people's lives were put in jeopardy then a case might be brought otherwise no, I totally disagree. We had a case here in 2003 where an ambulance driver was charged for speeding in order to get a donor liver organ to a patient before either the liver or the patient died.

    Total waste of taxpayer's money.

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