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  • $100 to me, $0 to player B

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  • $90 to me, $10 to player B

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    1 1.75%
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    2 3.51%
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    7 12.28%
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    36 63.16%
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Thread: Hypothetical: $100 Game

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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are taking the position that psychology and personality would be included. I am saying it is not. Wants and interest mean nothing in what I am describing.
    It still wouldn't be illogical for him to reject a 100/0 split, as he'd be indifferent between a 100/0 and a 0/0 split.
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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    One other wrinkle that might be worth considering - the setting in which the decision takes place.

    I participated in studies like this all the time in undergrad in order to make some money, and the first time I ever had this scenario, my counterpart (who I never met) and I were seated at computers in different rooms. I suspect it was easier to play hardball (and to screw over the other party) when you weren't face to face.
    This is an example of what happened in the Millgram Experiment. The closer or more interaction one had with another, the less likely they were to enact a punishing behavior. We see this all the time with people behaviing on the internet in ways they would NEVER behave in RL.

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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It still wouldn't be illogical for him to reject a 100/0 split, as he'd be indifferent between a 100/0 and a 0/0 split.
    Since there would be indifference, it would be illogical for him to reject the 100/0 split. There is no motivation for him to have an increase as there is no value indicated. Mathematically, he loses nothing. As you said in another post, if you add human psychology to the equation, his desire to "screw you" for being selfish could cause him to reject the 100/0 offer. Without that, there is no logic in rejecting it.
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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Since there would be indifference, it would be illogical for him to reject the 100/0 split. There is no motivation for him to have an increase as there is no value indicated. Mathematically, he loses nothing. As you said in another post, if you add human psychology to the equation, his desire to "screw you" for being selfish could cause him to reject the 100/0 offer. Without that, there is no logic in rejecting it.
    There's no logic in accepting it either...yet he must do one or the other.
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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    There's no logic in accepting it either...yet he must do one or the other.
    From a purely logical position, why would he reject it?
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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    From a purely logical position, why would he reject it?
    Because he's indifferent between accepting/rejecting, and must do one or the other.
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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, Tuck. I am not saying that a greater number has more value. I am saying that a greater number is a greater number. Period. I assign no value to the numbers other than arithmetic. 99>0 because it IS. There is no inherent value to the numbers because, in their primal state, they represent nothing.

    You are correct, however. Once you add value to what the numbers represent, you add human psychology to the issue. That is why I altered my position on a scenario inside a vacuum. Player B loses nothing by accepting a 100/0 split. It would be illogical for him to turn this down.
    It's just as illogical to accept nothing as it is to turn down nothing.

    In a vacuum, with no psychological value added, it is just as illogical to offer 100/0 as it is to offer 50/50 or 0/100.

    In a vacuum, the offer is related to dividing 100 units of nothing between two peopel who have no cares in any direction about gaining or losing those nothing units.
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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's just as illogical to accept nothing as it is to turn down nothing.

    In a vacuum, with no psychological value added, it is just as illogical to offer 100/0 as it is to offer 50/50 or 0/100.

    In a vacuum, the offer is related to dividing 100 units of nothing between two peopel who have no cares in any direction about gaining or losing those nothing units.
    Sure, in a vacuum. But this isn't a vacuum. He has a choice to help someone, at no cost to him, or do nothing. Person A had a different choice - to help 'B', but at a cost that he would lose earning potential. But person B has no earning potential at that point. The deal has been offered. So I assume that any person, if given the choice to give a stranger $100 at no cost to them, would do so. Because it does have value and it costs nothing. The idea that 'B' would want to 'screw you over' I think would make 'B' feel like scum afterwards. Did he get anything out of screwing you over? no. That's simply not the right thing to do. Person A did nothing wrong; it is natural and expected to maximize your own returns. If I were person B, I would think you were crazy if person A doesn't offer 100/0. As person A, I'll never assume that person B will be so immature and act purely on emotion.

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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    Sure, in a vacuum. But this isn't a vacuum. He has a choice to help someone, at no cost to him, or do nothing. Person A had a different choice - to help 'B', but at a cost that he would lose earning potential. But person B has no earning potential at that point. The deal has been offered. So I assume that any person, if given the choice to give a stranger $100 at no cost to them, would do so. Because it does have value and it costs nothing. The idea that 'B' would want to 'screw you over' I think would make 'B' feel like scum afterwards. Did he get anything out of screwing you over? no. That's simply not the right thing to do. Person A did nothing wrong; it is natural and expected to maximize your own returns. If I were person B, I would think you were crazy if person A doesn't offer 100/0. As person A, I'll never assume that person B will be so immature and act purely on emotion.
    I think the reason person B would feel gyped is because of the rules of the game. It's not merely a coin toss, 50/50, lose or win the money. The rules say that the coin toss merely decides who has what part of the power of the game. Both people knew the rules coming into the game, so person B expects person A to share the money, at least a little bit, with him. To the average person, if the rules were whoever wins the coin toss, gets the money, then it would be fair for A to get the whole 100. But since the rules add a sort of checks and balances power system to the game, then a 50/50 split is what is most seen as fair. It would be like two friends walking down the road, one sees something to the side, and points it out to his buddy. The buddy picks it up, and discovers it's 2 dollar bills. The most fair split would be seen as 1 dollar to each person. There would be valid arguments for either friend to keep all the money, but most people would see a 50/50 split as fair.
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    Re: Hypothetical: $100 Game

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    Sure, in a vacuum. But this isn't a vacuum.
    The situation I was describing in that post was in a vacuum.

    He has a choice to help someone, at no cost to him, or do nothing. Person A had a different choice - to help 'B', but at a cost that he would lose earning potential. But person B has no earning potential at that point. The deal has been offered. So I assume that any person, if given the choice to give a stranger $100 at no cost to them, would do so. Because it does have value and it costs nothing. The idea that 'B' would want to 'screw you over' I think would make 'B' feel like scum afterwards. Did he get anything out of screwing you over? no. That's simply not the right thing to do. Person A did nothing wrong; it is natural and expected to maximize your own returns. If I were person B, I would think you were crazy if person A doesn't offer 100/0. As person A, I'll never assume that person B will be so immature and act purely on emotion.
    Outside of a vacuum, helping the douchebag who was unwilling to help you is stupid. I think person A choosing to be greedy and selfish makes person A scum. Person B should only feel like scum if they were to accept the offer and actually assist this selfish POS is his greedy, scumbaggery.

    That's the awesome thing about taking it out of a vacuum. The impetus for moral decision making is actually on Person A, not Person B.

    Person A has the option to be a douche or not. Person B does not have that option. Person B only has the option to punish person A for their douchery (by rejecting the offer) or reward them for their non-douchery (by accepting it).

    If Person A chooses anything but a near 50/50 split, person A is being a douche and deserves some for of punishment for their douchery. PErson B then has a moral obligation to sacrifice any potential earnings in order to punish Person A for their Douchery.
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