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Thread: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

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    Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    As I see it, it's impossible to be an anarcho-communist. Let's suppose that government is gone and some guys want to start a commune, but others don't want to be part of it. What are you supposed to do? Either you must allow them to not be part of one (which makes one an anarcho-capitalist, since under such a system you can organize a commune with other like-minded individuals, BUT you allow others the freedom to not be part of one) or you must not (in which case you're just a closeted pinko).

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    You mean this?

    Anarchist communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If so, it seems to rely on at least a portion of the population being in agreement.

    Which never happens.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Political labels are fairly arbitrary and tend to twisted in agenda's, so taking the literal meaning is rarely useful. Anarcho-Communism actually existed in parts of Republican Spain for a brief period, although it was crushed by Fascism rather quickly. The anarchists primary consisted of various trade unions and worker owned enterprises.

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Is a commune a form of government?
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Political labels are fairly arbitrary and tend to twisted in agenda's, so taking the literal meaning is rarely useful. Anarcho-Communism actually existed in parts of Republican Spain for a brief period, although it was crushed by Fascism rather quickly. The anarchists primary consisted of various trade unions and worker owned enterprises.

    Confederación Nacional del Trabajo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    You are ignoring my point. It's unavoidable; you must either allow people to be free of the commune (anarcho-capitalism by default, with one forming a voluntary communist association with others) or you must coerce them into it (oppressive, human-right-violating communism).

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Is a commune a form of government?
    Depends on whether it's a voluntary association or people are forced into it.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Depends-Mikhail Bakunin might weigh in if he were still alive. There were two themes of communism-the Marxist-Leninist statist strain and the anarcho-syndicalists. The latter wanted to tear everything down to anarchy and the create a communist society from the ruins as opposed to the more common class struggle "dictatorship of the proletariat evolutionary model



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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    You are ignoring my point. It's unavoidable; you must either allow people to be free of the commune (anarcho-capitalism by default, with one forming a voluntary communist association with others) or you must coerce them into it (oppressive, human-right-violating communism).
    You assign to much values to labels. In reality, anarcho-communism was actually a form of highly decentralized local government based on consensus and loose democracy. Anarcho-capitalism has never been implemented in real life, so it is purely theoretical. Even places like Somalia that don't have any government still have some form of organization with warlords and tribes.

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Depends-Mikhail Bakunin might weigh in if he were still alive. There were two themes of communism-the Marxist-Leninist statist strain and the anarcho-syndicalists. The latter wanted to tear everything down to anarchy and the create a communist society from the ruins as opposed to the more common class struggle "dictatorship of the proletariat evolutionary model
    ARGH! You ignore the point made in the OP. What if you don't want to be part of the commune? Do they allow you freedom, or do they line you up against the wall and POP! goes the weasel?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You assign to much values to labels.
    Labels exist for a reason. If things and concepts don't have the attributes we ascribe to them, then the labels are inaccurate and ought to be altered. There's nothing wrong with labels that are accurate.

    In reality, anarcho-communism was actually a form of highly decentralized local government
    Hmm...government. I see. Anarcho-communist government. Sorry, that just doesn't work.

    ...based on consensus and loose democracy. Anarcho-capitalism has never been implemented in real life, so it is purely theoretical.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho...cho-capitalism

    Even places like Somalia that don't have any government still have some form of organization with warlords and tribes.
    If that's how you define anarcho-capitalism, then anarcho-capitalism is a human impossibility. Humans are social animals; they tend to prefer groups over individuals, especially when it's in their interest to be part of a given group. Anarcho-capitalism is utterly lawless, so people are allowed to do whatever they want, including form organizations.

    Sorry, but if it ain't governed, it's anarcho-capitalism. Anarcho-capitalism allows any voluntary associations.

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    ARGH! You ignore the point made in the OP. What if you don't want to be part of the commune? Do they allow you freedom, or do they line you up against the wall and POP! goes the weasel?

    Labels exist for a reason. If things and concepts don't have the attributes we ascribe to them, then the labels are inaccurate and ought to be altered. There's nothing wrong with labels that are accurate.

    Hmm...government. I see. Anarcho-communist government. Sorry, that just doesn't work.

    Anarcho-capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    If that's how you define anarcho-capitalism, then anarcho-capitalism is a human impossibility. Humans are social animals; they tend to prefer groups over individuals, especially when it's in their interest to be part of a given group. Anarcho-capitalism is utterly lawless, so people are allowed to do whatever they want, including form organizations.

    Sorry, but if it ain't governed, it's anarcho-capitalism. Anarcho-capitalism allows any voluntary associations.
    Being sort of an anarchist I tend to rebel being forced into compliance by OPs



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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Labels exist for a reason. If things and concepts don't have the attributes we ascribe to them, then the labels are inaccurate and ought to be altered. There's nothing wrong with labels that are accurate.
    Except labels are often used to make political attacks rather than promote accuracy, which you have proved by your very actions in this thread.

    Hmm...government. I see. Anarcho-communist government. Sorry, that just doesn't work.
    Neither does Anarcho-capitalism, yet you don't seem to hold it to the same standard. Capitalism doesn't exist without a government to provide basic protections against theft, fraud and violence. The market economy was developed long after the state.

    If that's how you define anarcho-capitalism, then anarcho-capitalism is a human impossibility. Humans are social animals; they tend to prefer groups over individuals, especially when it's in their interest to be part of a given group. Anarcho-capitalism is utterly lawless, so people are allowed to do whatever they want, including form organizations.
    And those organizations with complete and utter inevitably end up using coercive power form some kind of legal system.

    Sorry, but if it ain't governed, it's anarcho-capitalism. Anarcho-capitalism allows any voluntary associations.
    Including bandits, warlords and con artists, who prevent capitalism from actually functioning.
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