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Thread: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Political labels are fairly arbitrary and tend to twisted in agenda's, so taking the literal meaning is rarely useful. Anarcho-Communism actually existed in parts of Republican Spain for a brief period, although it was crushed by Fascism rather quickly. The anarchists primary consisted of various trade unions and worker owned enterprises.

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    As if trade unions didn't have centralized leadership. Anyways, the individual has the right to self ownership meaning that he has full and exclusive rights to his body and all goods and services produced by that body, that right can not exist within a collectivist society and thus collectivism of any sort and anarchy are mutually exclusive concepts because collectivism can not function without compulsion by force.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by stinagen View Post
    OK as i am a anarcho communist let me lay how most of my comrades view it (yes i used comrade its not a communist thing)
    the root ideals of communism are a classless society and class often being caused by money (i separate communism and Marxism as the USSR China and other country are never truly communistic they create a "new class")
    root ideals of anarchy no government no authority Manny anarchists view money as authority as money causes classes
    most anarchist also have issues with globalization and would denounce any massive economic structure
    the idea is for people to produce what they can and receive what they need with out a state
    the idea is that people can make it happen with out a government individuals produce factories with out bosses
    get the idea? they match pretty well
    so its the ideals of communism with out the government quite simply
    You can't have a functioning communist society without denying to the individual their right to self ownership.

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    You can't have a functioning communist society without denying to the individual their right to self ownership.
    Well anarcho-communism is not communism it is simply anarchy with communistic properties

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    uh...Communism is a stateless society lacking government. Anarchy is no government.

    Therefore, the two are not contradictory. This also proves there are no actual Communists in history as every so called Communist (except for small groups in the Andes and African Jungle) has always been state centered.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    uh...Communism is a stateless society lacking government. Anarchy is no government.

    Therefore, the two are not contradictory. This also proves there are no actual Communists in history as every so called Communist (except for small groups in the Andes and African Jungle) has always been state centered.
    Nothing in the definition of Communism implies a stateless society, I know Marx mentioned the withering away of the state, but mentioned it only once, only in passing, and never explained why it would come to be. Marx adamantly argued for the dictatorship of the proletariat to achieve a classless society, he not only wasn't an anarchist but a devout statist:

    The first step on the path to the workers' revolution is the elevation of the proletariat to the position of ruling class. The proletariat will gain from its political domination by gradually tearing away from the bourgeoisie all capital, by centralizing all means of production in the hands of the State, that is to say in the hands of the proletariat itself organized as the ruling class. -- Communist Manifesto

    Furthermore; Engles who coauthored the Communist Manifesto not only promoted the state but promoted state terror:


    “...And the victorious party” (in a revolution) “must maintain its rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionaries. Would the Paris Commune have lasted more than a day if it had not used the authority of the armed people against the bourgeoisie? Cannot we, on the contrary, blame it for having made too little use of that authority?..."

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by stinagen View Post
    Well anarcho-communism is not communism it is simply anarchy with communistic properties
    And how will the collective function without imposing its will on the actions of the individual through force?

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And how will the collective function without imposing its will on the actions of the individual through force?
    the idea behind anarcho communism is that everyone who is a member of the anarchist commune is there willingly, and is an active member in sustaining the community, anything else and you end up with a petty dictatorship, which is what happened to every communist state in history.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    As if trade unions didn't have centralized leadership. Anyways, the individual has the right to self ownership meaning that he has full and exclusive rights to his body and all goods and services produced by that body, that right can not exist within a collectivist society and thus collectivism of any sort and anarchy are mutually exclusive concepts because collectivism can not function without compulsion by force.
    Pure anarchy itself is impossible in reality, as even the most unorganized people still have at least tribal organizations that exert coercive power. Anarcho-Communism is technically minanarchist, as is all political theory with the title "anarchist". The anarcho communist trade-unions did not have centralized leadership, they operated based on consensus and ad-hoc democracy. While they were not without coercive power, they were several orders of magnitude removed from the typical nation-state.

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    the idea behind anarcho communism is that everyone who is a member of the anarchist commune is there willingly, and is an active member in sustaining the community, anything else and you end up with a petty dictatorship, which is what happened to every communist state in history.
    Might work on a very small scale, but I doubt it. Force would inevitably have to be implemented, if not on the first generation of the commune then upon future generations born into the commune.

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Pure anarchy itself is impossible in reality,
    Not really, under a modern market economy anarchism is quite possible.

    as even the most unorganized people still have at least tribal organizations that exert coercive power. Anarcho-Communism is technically minanarchist, as is all political theory with the title "anarchist".
    Anarcho-capitalism does not need coercive force of any kind because it is based on the contractual society, the right of self ownership, and the non-aggression principle.

    The anarcho communist trade-unions did not have centralized leadership, they operated based on consensus and ad-hoc democracy. While they were not without coercive power, they were several orders of magnitude removed from the typical nation-state.
    Mob rule =/= anarchy in any way, shape, or form.

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