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Thread: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Being sort of an anarchist I tend to rebel being forced into compliance by OPs
    Nobody's forcing you to do anything. However, should you refuse to address my primary argument in any way, shape, or form, I will logically assume you are incapable of countering it.

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    Except labels are often used to make political attacks rather than promote accuracy, which you have proved by your very actions in this thread.
    Political attacks are fine if they're backed up with facts. And mine is. I repeat, until someone counters my argument successfully, I will assume it's impossible to do so.

    Neither does Anarcho-capitalism, yet you don't seem to hold it to the same standard. Capitalism doesn't exist without a government to provide basic protections against theft, fraud and violence. The market economy was developed long after the state.
    Ha. BS. Who says capitalism doesn't exist without government? What's your rationale for saying that?

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    And those organizations with complete and utter inevitably end up using coercive power form some kind of legal system.
    Interesting. Why do you think it's inevitable? Point to historical record, if you please.

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    Including bandits, warlords and con artists, who prevent capitalism from actually functioning.
    For the third time, says WHO?!

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    an anarcho-commune would be an assembly of like minded individuals, so of course they wouldn't force people into it, one thing all the commies so far have yet to realise, you can't force people into communism, it should be based upon altruism.

    i don't see how not forcing people into it makes it capitalistic.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    an anarcho-commune would be an assembly of like minded individuals, so of course they wouldn't force people into it, one thing all the commies so far have yet to realise, you can't force people into communism, it should be based upon altruism.

    i don't see how not forcing people into it makes it capitalistic.
    Without a government or a commune to restrict you, there are no regulations. And an unregulated economic system + private property = capitalism.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Political attacks are fine if they're backed up with facts. And mine is. I repeat, until someone counters my argument successfully, I will assume it's impossible to do so.
    By technical definitions, both anarcho communism and anarcho-capitalism both don't work. Communism and capitalism alike both require some coercive entity acting as the government in order function.

    Ha. BS. Who says capitalism doesn't exist without government? What's your rationale for saying that?
    Capitalism doesn't work if fraud, theft and violence can be used to gain a competitive advantage rather than honest work.

    Interesting. Why do you think it's inevitable? Point to historical record, if you please.
    There are no functioning market economies that have ever arisen without the backing and protections of a state.

    For the third time, says WHO?!
    Says me. If you look at all the anarchist societies throughout human history, none of them had market economies.

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Without a government or a commune to restrict you, there are no regulations. And an unregulated economic system is capitalistic by default.
    so the context for your commune in this situation is that everyone in it is forced into it, i presume, in which case you are correct, but if people are in the commune willingly then it is not capitalistic.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    It's not an oxymoron because socialism's natural goal is to lead to communism, which means no government. No government equals anarchy. Anarchos tend to distinguish themselves by noting that all communist regimes we have seen in modern history are not true examples of communism.

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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    I dont its its oxymoronic in the sense that Anarcho-Communists allow for de-association and are against using the guns of the state. At least if Im reading the wiki article correctly.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Note: I am not really an anarchist or a fascist, my username is purposefully oxymoronic (bet you couldn't tell).

    Communism and Anarchism share some of their philosophy and some of their history with each other. The "First International" contained members from both groups, but certain differences of opinion caused them to split. I say it isn't necessarily an oxymoron.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Without a government or a commune to restrict you, there are no regulations. And an unregulated economic system + private property = capitalism.
    Without government there wouldn't be much private property. Only those with a financial security capable of hiring a squad of armed guards would retain their private property. Most of the other people would have to give theirs away to their own personal assailants. It's not like the police are going to work for free.

    Anarchy = no rulers. Communism has always had rulers.

    Oxymoron? Yes.
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    Re: Is the term "anarcho-communist" an oxymoron?

    OK as i am a anarcho communist let me lay how most of my comrades view it (yes i used comrade its not a communist thing)
    the root ideals of communism are a classless society and class often being caused by money (i separate communism and Marxism as the USSR China and other country are never truly communistic they create a "new class")
    root ideals of anarchy no government no authority Manny anarchists view money as authority as money causes classes
    most anarchist also have issues with globalization and would denounce any massive economic structure
    the idea is for people to produce what they can and receive what they need with out a state
    the idea is that people can make it happen with out a government individuals produce factories with out bosses
    get the idea? they match pretty well
    so its the ideals of communism with out the government quite simply

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