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There is no way that welfare system can sustain the welfare needs of society, thus this point is kind of moot.
As long as welfare demonstrates an ability to help people rise above their circumstances, then it is a useful tool. You may only wish to focus on the abusers of the system but many people raising families rely on that government check in order to make ends meet so that their children can continue to focus on school instead of focusing on domestic duties.
My point is far from moot.
Each individual is responsible for their savings and spending, not you, not I and especially not the state.
We all live in a nation and a community, which means we have an obligation to help one another. I realize you didn't choose where you were born but you definitely have a choice over where you live and paying taxes. If you don't like it, you can move, or simply stop paying taxes and face the consequences. I'm sure there are plenty of pet projects you support through tax dollars that I wouldn't support. You just have to take the whole kitten and kabootle.
Well, I never said they would, I said it is wrong for you or the state to force me to give. The Salvation Army pulled in about 26 million alone in 2009 by contributions and that is just one charity group and people would not donate enough.
By that logic it is wrong to tax people at all, but taxation is necessary for the health of the nation. How many times does it have to be said?
26 million is nothing. The Salvation Army is a good organization I support them for their local initiatives, but they cannot carry the whole nation nor should they be expected to. That is the job of the government.
It's not a twist, if I gave to charity by myself well, that is my choice but, when you have government force my hand then it’s stealing. I also never claimed a state without welfare would be a utopia. There is a better way, and maybe one day you’ll see.
Why stop at social programs then? Why not just come out and say that it's wrong to tax people at all?
Why should your pet peeve get exempted from taxation and mine doesn't?
Learn to live with it because it's not going anywhere.
The state has already won; they got you believing you need them.
lol...
So you're a mind reader now too? Piss off.
Welfare is not only wrong but, it makes things worse.
What makes things worse are people who think in black and white terms, and think that all things either fall into column A or column B. As I said before, even fiscal conservatives know that welfare is necessary. But you're a libertarian, which, in fiscal terms, is even more ridiculous. The system can only go back to local levels of small taxation and spending if the current system collapses. Until then, it has just gotten too big and out of control. It is clear that both parties intend to spend the nation into the gutter.