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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    The American Way is to take care of your own/help people and sadly we are doing a crappy job.
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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    The right wing believes in charity. They are much more charitable than the left. The left wants to take money from the haves and give to the have-nots without their permission.
    If the right believes in charity why are they so opposed to Social Programs that help others?
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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If the right believes in charity why are they so opposed to Social Programs that help others?
    Because many social programs have gone *to the extreme* - and instead of temporarily helping people out it's become a permanent job-alternative.
    People's social opinions *of* the programs while being *on* the programs have changed, as well. Not *everyone* - not even *a majority* but when some people here and there have this attitude it's hard not to be bothered by it or notice it - it makes you wonder just how many others on various assistance programs feel the same way. Rather than seeing it as "the government is helping us out for a while" many are openly voicing that they feel "entitled to it" - and no longer truly appreciate the assistance.

    The systems are easily taken advantage of and abused, as well - crimes related to selling benefits and other types of fraud are quite common and only increasing.

    The programs are also poorly designed- they give plenty of assistance to many of it's participants, while others don't receive enough benefits. .. so it's unfair (because it's different state to state)
    Also - there are only afew "stepping stone" programs where their goal is to get people *off* the need for the program without just ripping it out from under their feet. When I was on the system it was easy to fleece if I wanted to - and there was very little incentive to take on more financial responsibility for myself and my children. My personal desire to no longer need food stamps was the only incentive I had.

    There are things that people *see* often that rub people the wrong way: at the check out line the Mom is buying a bunch of food with food stamps - and it's often junk like soda and snack. . . and then, with $30.00 cash, she buys a carton of cigarettes. . . things like this always tick me off. If someone *needs* help feeding their children then they shouldn't *be* satisfying their cravings. . . I've even seen someone try to buy liquor with food stamps. ???

    So - unless they fix stepping-stone (lack of) problems, do more to get people on their own two feet, and craft more strict rules about *what* you can and cannot purchase with benefits - many people will continue to see *these* problems and zoom in on them.

    You never notice the people who truly need the benefits - and who don't take advantage of them - because they don't flaunt it or stick out like a sore thumb in the process. . . so to many people these questionable situations are *all* that they *ever* see.
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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    It always makes me laugh when people talk about these things as if it was back in the day when women could have a welfare gravy train. Sorry but most of these have gone Away and are not happening anymore. You are only allowed to be on the system for a certain amount of time and during that time you must be looking for and get a job. They days of Welfare for Life are pretty much over. So some folks need to get over being mad that someone is getting some help and be happy they live in a country that tries to help their own. We are not doing near enough in this reguard though. If it were up to me? We would have a lot more social programs.
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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    THis poll is unAmerican. Welfare is here to stay and there is NOTHING republicans can do about it.

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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    It always makes me laugh when people talk about these things as if it was back in the day when women could have a welfare gravy train. Sorry but most of these have gone Away and are not happening anymore. You are only allowed to be on the system for a certain amount of time and during that time you must be looking for and get a job. They days of Welfare for Life are pretty much over. So some folks need to get over being mad that someone is getting some help and be happy they live in a country that tries to help their own. We are not doing near enough in this reguard though. If it were up to me? We would have a lot more social programs.
    Its always a fine balance. I can see the other side of the argument, people should be responsible for themselves. They should have a job and pay their own way. I don't think that most people who support welfare disagree with that. I don't. But we should also treat everyone with equal concern, and if someone has to sleep out on the street, or skip meals, I don't think that we can honestly say we are doing that.

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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Welfare at the federal level is unconstitutional but at the state level its legal but still a horrible idea.
    WRONG.

    It's only a horrible idea in the eyes of a greedy few.

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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If the right believes in charity why are they so opposed to Social Programs that help others?
    some would note that such social programs really don't help others or are abused by many that use them but rather

    1) are designed to create a dependent class who are addicted to government entitlements and, thus

    2) vote for dem elites

    3) and expand the government and the power of the dem elites.

    so while no one I know is opposed to all safety net programs, many of us realize that when dem leaders scream about compassion, they are really howling to expand their voter base and the size of government.

    and the way things are going, we have to stop this nonsense because government size, waste and spending is out of control



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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    WRONG.

    It's only a horrible idea in the eyes of a greedy few.
    you claim to be a tea party advocate and yet you think that opposing the constant expansion of welfare-socialism is "Greedy"

    real greed is trying to get credit and power by using the wealth of others to buy the votes of your minions



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    Re: Is wellfare today un-American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    It always makes me laugh when people talk about these things as if it was back in the day when women could have a welfare gravy train. Sorry but most of these have gone Away and are not happening anymore. You are only allowed to be on the system for a certain amount of time and during that time you must be looking for and get a job. They days of Welfare for Life are pretty much over. So some folks need to get over being mad that someone is getting some help and be happy they live in a country that tries to help their own. We are not doing near enough in this reguard though. If it were up to me? We would have a lot more social programs.
    alot more social programs? how are we going to pay for it given the deficit. and what are you going to do about the massive rate of births to unwed mothers--being born to a single parent family is the greatest predictor of poverty.



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