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New obama low 44%... Place your bets on how long it will take to get to the 30's

PLACE YOUR BETS ON HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO GET TO THE 30'S as of June 10, 2010

  • less than a month

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • a couple months

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • 3-4 months

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • 5-6 months

    Votes: 8 21.1%

  • 7-8 months

    Votes: 6 15.8%

  • 9-10 months

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • 11-12 months

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • 12-14 months

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • 15-16 months

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • Never

    Votes: 12 31.6%
  • Total voters
    38
  • Poll closed .
Goobieman said:
Lying is making a statement that you know to be false.

Can you show that GWB knew what he was saying was false?
Can you show that GWB did not believe what he was saying was true?

If you cannot do both of these things, your claim of him lying is false; the more you hang on to this particular tenet the more correct you show me to be.
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Are we really going to go through this again, the dictionary (my source of what words means), says lying is "untruthfullness", which is what Bush was.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
Are we really going to go through this again, the dictionary (my source of what words means), says lying is "untruthfullness", which is what Bush was.
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There is, necessarily, a willfull component to the act of lying - you have to KNOW that you are not speaking the truth and you have to KNOW that what you are saying is untrue. Else, every time you answer a question incorrectly, by virtute of making a statement that is false, you are, under your argument, lying. Do you really believe that to be the case?

So, again, in order for your claims of GWB lying about Iraq, you have to show that he knew what he was saying was false, and that he did not believe what he was saying was true. Its really that simple.
 
Goobieman said:
There is, necessarily, a willfull component to the act of lying - you have to KNOW that you are not speaking the truth and you have to KNOW that what you are saying is untrue. Else, every time you answer a question incorrectly, by virtute of making a statement that is false, you are, under your argument, lying. Do you really believe that to be the case?

So, again, in order for your claims of GWB lying about Iraq, you have to show that he knew what he was saying was false, and that he did not believe what he was saying was true. Its really that simple.
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Sorry but I believe the dictionary over you.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
Sorry but I believe the dictionary over you.
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Just so long as you understand that under your argument, any and every time you say something wrong, it is a lie.

All those questiions you missed on your high school and college exams? Lies.
Every incorrect answer in every trivia game you've ever played? Lied.
Every factual error you ever made? Lies.

Why do you lie so much?
 
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Goobieman said:
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Just so long as you understand that under your argument, any and every time you say something wrong, it is a lie.
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Okay...

Goobieman said:
All those questiions you missed on your high school and college exams? Lies.
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Yes I do wish I studied a little more in High School but I am certainly happy where I am.

Goobieman said:
Every incorrect answer in every trivia game you've ever played? Lied.
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I never played any trivia games...

Goobieman said:
Every factual error you ever made? Lies.
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Not very many.

Goobieman said:
Why do you lie so much?
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Because it is very difficult for someone to know everything, but you're right, I should cut down some.

Thanks for proving me right and showing how partisan you are by going after one small point and ignoring everything else I said because you know I am correct.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
Thanks for proving me right and showing how partisan you are by going after one small point and ignoring everything else I said because you know I am correct.
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Except that you are not, because you havent shown that GWB lied, and have avoided making any effort to that effect, because you know you cannot.
Thank you for proving -my- point.
 
Goobieman said:
Except that you are not, because you havent shown that GWB lied, and have avoided making any effort to that effect, because you know you cannot.
Thank you for proving -my- point.
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You don't read very well. I have already proved Bush lied. I will go over it again though because you are slow: Lying means untruthfullness (as supported by the dictionary), Bush was untruthfull about WMD's being in Iraq.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
Why do you think Bush is the best President we have ever had? Because the economy went down the drain under his watch? Because he lied to us to get us into Iraq?
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Because he is a good, decent CCR with honor and integrity. He did not take almost one billion dollars in dirty, filthy, foreign Muslim money to buy the election. He is a patriotic Christian. He is wise. The econ was the best it EVER WAS under his watch until liberals took over CONgress in '07. By the end of the year we were fcked. Housing was tanking. The DOW was, too. Employment, which had been at "full (4%)" was rising. W took out the world's worst terrorist, brought democracy to Iraq, won the war on terror there, crippled alQaida in Af, left no child behind, and led this country to its greatest time ever. Despite TWO wars on terror this country was doing amazingly well. The liberals in CONgress ruined it all in less than a year.
disneydude said:
Are you for real....or are you just trying to be a satire on right-wingers, I seriously cannot tell.
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I am as real as a heart attack. I am a hotter, cuter, less-nice version of Ann Coulter.
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W lied about nothing. Saddam Hussein shipped his wmd to Syria. We have already proved that and Syria admits it. W was an AWESOME man of God/POTUS!
 
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Crunch said:
You missed the rest of the definition...



So did you just lie by omission? :lamo
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You don't seem to understand that words can have multiple definitions, and one of the definitions is simply untruthfullness, again learn to read.
 
chickie said:
Because he is a good, decent CCR with honor and integrity.
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What's CCR?

chickie said:
He did not take almost one billion dollars in dirty, filthy, foreign Muslim money to buy the election.
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That doesn't make you a good President...

chickie said:
He is a patriotic Christian.
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I didn't know doing cocaine was okay....

chickie said:
He is wise.
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You got to be kidding me, he has the lowest IQ of any President in the past 60 years.

chickie said:
The econ was the best it EVER WAS under his watch until liberals took over CONgress in '07. By the end of the year we were fcked. Housing was tanking. The DOW was, too. Employment, which had been at "full (4%)" was rising.
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No it wasn't, the average median household income dropped between 2000 and 2007. I would also like you to post the laws that Congress passed, Bush vetoed, and Congress overrode his veto since you believe Congress singlehandedly led us to this awful recession we are in. And just so you know the recession started in 2007 so you can't blame it on that Congress.

chickie said:
W took out the world's worst terrorist, brought democracy to Iraq, won the war on terror there
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How did he "win" the war on terror in Iraq? And he did not take out Osama Bin Laden (assuming that's who you mean).

chickie said:
crippled alQaida in Af,
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Where's your proof?

chickie said:
left no child behind,
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You have got to be kidding me.

chickie said:
led this country to its greatest time ever.
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That's pretty vague. What do you mean by greatest time ever? Best recession ever?

chickie said:
Despite TWO wars on terror this country was doing amazingly well. The liberals in CONgress ruined it all in less than a year.
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Define "amazingly well" and use proof not just speculation.

chickie said:
W lied about nothing. Saddam Hussein shipped his wmd to Syria. We have already proved that and Syria admits it. W was an AWESOME man of God/POTUS!
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You are an idiot: A Chart of Bush Lies about Iraq - A BuzzFlash Reader Commentary

Here?s what Bush said:
Bush?s Claim
Reality

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.?

State of the Union Address ? 1/28/2003
Iraq has 500 tons of chemical weapons:

- Sarin gas

- Mustard gas

- VX Nerve agent
Not True

Zero Chemical Weapons Found
Not a drop of any chemical weapons has been found anywhere in Iraq

?U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein
had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable
of delivering chemical agents.?

State of the Union Address ? 1/28/2003
Iraq has 30,000 weapons capable of dumping chemical weapons on people
Not True

Zero Munitions Found
Not a single chemical weapon?s munition has been found anywhere in Iraq

?We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."

State of the Union Address ? 1/28/2003
Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world
Not True

Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people
now in custody reveal that
Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."

State of the Union Address ? 1/28/2003
Iraq aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda

And implied that Iraq was somehow behind 9/11
Not True

Zero Al Qaeda Connection

To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Hussein with Al Qaida or any other known terrorist organizations have been revealed.
(besides certain Palestinian groups who represent no direct threat to the US)

"Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."

State of the Union Address ? 1/28/2003
Iraq has attempted to purchase metal tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production
Not True

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as well as dozens of leading scientists declared said tubes unsuitable for nuclear weapons production -- months before the war.

"Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at [past nuclear] sites."

Bush speech to the nation ? 10/7/2002
Iraq is rebuilding nuclear facilities at former sites.
Not True

Two months of inspections at these former Iraqi nuclear sites found zero evidence of prohibited nuclear activities there

IAEA report to UN Security Council ? 1/27/2003

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

State of the Union Address ? 1/28/2003
Iraq recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa
Not True

The documents implied were known at the time by Bush to be forged and not credible.

"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

VP Dick Cheney ? ?Meet the Press? 3/16/2003
Iraq has Nuclear Weapons for a fact
Not True

?The IAEA had found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq."

IAEA report to UN Security Council ? 3/7/2003

"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."

Bush Press Conference 7/14/2003
Iraq?s Saddam Hussein ?refused to allow UN inspectors into Iraq
Not True

UN inspectors went into Iraq to search for possible weapons violations from December 2002 into March 2003
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If you provide a link for that and prove your claims I will apologize for saying Bush lied.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
You don't read very well. I have already proved Bush lied.
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No, you havent, as you have not shown that GWB willfully made a statemnet that he knew was false.

I REALLY shouldnt have to doi this, but since you're unwilling to accept my word for it:

Lie | Define Lie at Dictionary.com

lie1    /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
–noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
–verb (used without object)
5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.

My 5 year old understands the difference between lying and sinply being wrong -- why dont you?

Never mind that all of this simply supports my assertion regarding your not-so0slight liberalism...
 
pro-bipartisan said:
You don't seem to understand that words can have multiple definitions, and one of the definitions is simply untruthfullness, again learn to read.
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:ROFL:
The intellectual dishonesty here is amazing.
 
Goobieman said:
No, you havent, as you have not shown that GWB willfully made a statemnet that he knew was false.
I REALLY shouldnt have to doi this, but since you're unwilling to accept my word for it:

Lie | Define Lie at Dictionary.com

lie1    /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
–noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
–verb (used without object)
5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.

My 5 year old understands the difference between lying and sinply being wrong -- why dont you?

Never mind that all of this simply supports my assertion regarding your not-so0slight liberalism...
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I never said he did, again learn to read...
 
You don't seem to understand that a definition for lying is untruthfullness, which Bush was. If you prove untruthfullness isn't a definition (which I have already shown is), then I would be wrong.
 
Caine said:
Oh lord.... this thread is going to bet yet another turned into Bush bashing.

I think mods should make a special place in the basement or the archives for threads that don't start with the topic of Bush and end up turning into a Bush Bashing escapade.
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OMFG I was soooo right!...
 
pro-bipartisan said:
You don't seem to understand that a definition for lying is untruthfullness, which Bush was. If you prove untruthfullness isn't a definition (which I have already shown is), then I would be wrong.
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You dont seem to understand that there is clearly more to it than that; your refusal to admit this illustrates the desperate lengths you will go to in order to be able to bash GWB, and firmly illustrates that I am right about the inaccuracy of your "slightly" description.

When you have to use the LEAST common defintion of a word to make your point, your point is moot.

My 5 year old understands the difference between lying and simply being wrong -- why dont you?
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
What's CCR?
That doesn't make you a good President...
I didn't know doing cocaine was okay....
You got to be kidding me, he has the lowest IQ of any President in the past 60 years.
No it wasn't, the average median household income dropped between 2000 and 2007. I would also like you to post the laws that Congress passed, Bush vetoed, and Congress overrode his veto since you believe Congress singlehandedly led us to this awful recession we are in. And just so you know the recession started in 2007 so you can't blame it on that Congress.
How did he "win" the war on terror in Iraq? And he did not take out Osama Bin Laden assuming that's who you mean).
Where's your proof?
You have got to be kidding me.
That's pretty vague. What do you mean by greatest time ever? Best recession ever?
Define "amazingly well" and use proof not just speculation.
You are an idiot: A Chart of Bush Lies about Iraq - A BuzzFlash Reader Commentary
If you provide a link for that and prove your claims I will apologize for saying Bush lied.
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Why do liberals and Muslims ALWAYS devolve into personal attacks? It's SO pathetic! I almost didn't respond to this because of the personal attack, but I will. There are a few things I know VERY well including Islam and counterterrorism.
CCR is Christian Conservative Republican. W does not do coke. Not for at least 30 years. And he has not had a drink for years, either, unlike your disgusting president who drinks, smokes AND does coke. W's IQ (125) is in the same range as most of the past presidents. He is wiser than all of them combined.
Greatest time ever=record high DOW, housing, employment etc. This country was in AMAZING shape until the liberals took over CONgress in 07. By the end of the year we were screwed.
The world's worst terrorist was Saddam Hussein. DUH! He took out 1.5 MILLION of his own people. We went to Iraq to take out Hussein. We did it. Mission accomplished. We got the violence down to almost nothing until your president screwed it all up. Now it's a mess.
Anyone with an ounce of counterterrorism knowledge knows Saddam Hussein moved his stash to Syria, that Clinton dropped the ball by not taking out binLaden THREE TIMES when he had the chance, that Bush prevented dozens of terror attacks including two hits on Barack Hussein Obama, that Barack Hussein Obama is a complete and utter failure in EVERY aspect of DHS (as is Uncle Janet), and that Iran has threatened to wipe us and Israel out with its nukes within 2 years.
Saddam general: WMDs in Syria
YouTube - ‪The Saddam Connection To Osama‬‎
Experts: War on Terrorism Has 'Crippled' Al-Qaida
 
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chickie if you made a blog I would subscribe to the RSS, facebook, youtube, twitter, and newsletter.
 
Four months on and weeks before the wipeout Obama is at 43%. His numbers have been holding steady... LOL. :shock:

LOW MARKS FOR OBAMA

* 53 percent said they disapproved of the job Obama was doing as president, the highest figure since he took office in January 2009. Only 43 percent gave him a positive rating, a sharp drop from the 47 percent figure from last month.

* Obama's approval rating fell to 70 percent among Democrats, his lowest mark from members of his own party. Some 83 percent of Republicans disapproved, consistent with findings from earlier polls.

* 63 percent said the country is on the wrong track, also a high mark for that rating during Obama's tenure. Only 31 percent said the country is headed in the right direction.

FACTBOX-Poll shows disenchantment with Obama, Democrats | Reuters
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