View Poll Results: PLACE YOUR BETS ON HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO GET TO THE 30'S as of June 10, 2010

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    Re: New obama low 44%... Place your bets on how long it will take to get to the 30's

    Lmao... Yup. Bernie Sanders is the ring leader and Senate infiltrator. Don't tell Michelle Bachmann.
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    Re: New obama low 44%... Place your bets on how long it will take to get to the 30's

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'm not convinced of that. I have been banned, mainly because of timing, from a very, well used-to-be very, pro-Obama site. Myself and dozens of others were banned last week and the week before for truly losing our tempers with Obama and his pre-capitulations. This week, after the tax speech, the mood, the remarks being made and being allowed to remain, ... well, I'm not so sure Obama won't face a challenger. It was truly the last straw for many. Not so much the framework itself, as the way he pre-capitulated AGAIN and without even conferencing with the Dems. All but the truly die hard Obamanauts, akin to the ol' Bu****es, are still on board with primarying him. That includes all colors and walks of life.
    Where were those same Dems 6 months ago when the president hit the road to make his case? Crickets. Nobody wanted to lend their voice about expiring tax cuts prior to the election. Now they bitch - and bitch and bitch. Pelosi did her job. The president did his job. The Senate, arguably, did not. Where the hell were the voices? Ya know, it's getting clearer that many don't even understand how this stuff even works. The Senate is broken. There's your number one problem. We always had the majority votes. We just didn't have the 60.

    Stop it Dems. You're becoming the radical right and it looks bad on you.
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    Re: New obama low 44%... Place your bets on how long it will take to get to the 30's

    I really need to revisit this for a moment. Republicans have vowed to destroy this administration via obstruction. There are roughly 370 bills passed by the House - much with bipartisan support - that cannot even get out of committee in the Senate because of Senate rules abused by Republicans.

    CONSERVATIVES held middle class tax cuts hostage with cuts for millionaires and billionaires. CONSERVATIVES are responsible for the mess we are in and there are no fast, easy solutions. CONSERVATIVES have placed politics before country this past 40 years. And CONSERVATIVES are the ones currently framing this.

    It's working people.

    Truth is, while a two year extension for the top is unsavory, and the estate tax pisses me off, payroll tax reduction and write-offs for business covering the next decade, are good things, designed more as stimulus. There are only 135 billion for the top 2%. The rest will go to tax law, unemployment benefits, payroll tax reduction.

    At least now we know how serious these conservatives were about deficit reduction. Just another ruse to get elected and and piss off their base.



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    Re: New obama low 44%... Place your bets on how long it will take to get to the 30's

    I've never really believed that leadership should be based upon an opinion poll, so color me unimpressed by this thread.

    I didn't like it when Bill Clinton did it, and I don't care what Obama's numbers are.

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    Re: New obama low 44%... Place your bets on how long it will take to get to the 30's

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    I doubt any Democrats can go up against Obama and win the nomination. He has too much support, and name recognition is already established.
    I don't doubt it's a tough row to hoe, but Obama's damaged, has illustrated he is not uniter, and is an all-around incompetent. Every day it gets worse for him, and a lot of this decline is self inflicted, unforced errors.

    His last press conference pissed on everyone. LOL... I loved it. He was angry and petty.

    We still have an Iraq War... and an Afghanistan War. Infact, he's increased the troop count in Afghanistan and in general increased military spending.
    And? Here is the 64 dollar question that Dems asked endlessly. Where's bin Laden?

    He didn't give all the troops, only 60% of those asked, and their rules of engagement have tied the hands of the troops. That's changing... thanks to that general Libs called Betrayus.

    If Reagan is the antithesis of Obama then how come his poll numbers were lower than his at this point Not saying anything, just that this doesn't make sense from your standpoint. At this point in Reagan's presidency top income tax rates were at 50%.
    Political Science 101:
    Politcally Obama is the antithesis of Reagan. Obama believes in Big Government, Reagan believed correctly... it is the problem, not the solution.

    Is he toast? No not really. He's only almost 2 years into his term, and still has fairly standard approval rating. Sure, loads of other presidents have been higher at this point, but he's not low enough to predict that in two years he'll be toast. Reagan was even lower.
    I don't care what the polls say... look at the failure of his policies, look at how he has acted vs. his rhetoric while campaigning. Pure Snake Oil. The midterms illustrated how pissed the people are at his bait and switch. Historic... decisive.

    I count myself among those who disapprove of Obama. Does this mean I'd vote Republican? Hell no. Does it mean I'd vote Democrat either? Again, hell no. My guess, near everyone who says they approve of Obama will be voting for him (among those who vote), but a significant number of those who disapprove of him won't vote Republican either.
    But many will and have indicated they will.

    He has lost a huge portion of the vital independents.

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    Re: New obama low 44%... Place your bets on how long it will take to get to the 30's

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post

    At least now we know how serious these conservatives were about deficit reduction.
    ROTFLOL... as Obama spends trillions... passes his Slim Shady ObamaKare... and now he's concerned about our debts?

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    Re: New obama low 44%... Place your bets on how long it will take to get to the 30's

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I don't doubt it's a tough row to hoe, but Obama's damaged, has illustrated he is not uniter, and is an all-around incompetent. Every day it gets worse for him, and a lot of this decline is self inflicted, unforced errors.
    I agree, but the DNC makes the final choice, and I'm unsure that they'd risk introducing a new nomination that can be attacked in the same way. Short answer: anything can happen over the next two years, so nothing's set in stone, but if it continues as it is now, even if Obama's approval rating drops significantly I can't see them replacing him. It's too much of a chance. His approval rating would have to be low 30s (which is a possibility, considering what he's doing to his own base at the moment).

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    His last press conference pissed on everyone. LOL... I loved it. He was angry and petty.
    It was pretty funny, I'll give you that.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    And? Here is the 64 dollar question that Dems asked endlessly. Where's bin Laden?
    Does Bush's inability to get Bin Laden either indicate an anti-military policy? No? Then I don't see how, given the facts, this makes Obama anti-military, and therefore opposed to the policy of the last administration, which was the core of my comment. In fact, he has not only continued, but increased the policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    He didn't give all the troops, only 60% of those asked, and their rules of engagement have tied the hands of the troops. That's changing... thanks to that general Libs called Betrayus.
    Given that 62% of his base, and a majority of independents were opposed to an increase last year, I'd call it a disastrous political move.



    Also, 50% of his base thinks his 2014 withdrawal plans are too late, and want him to withdraw sooner, while a combined 58% of independents either agree with the 2014 timetable for withdrawal, or want him to withdraw sooner.



    Opposing the last administration's war policy would be to reduce troop numbers, not increase them. The fact that they only increased 60% to what they requested would be like the Republicans only giving 60% of requested welfare checks.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Political Science 101:
    Politcally Obama is the antithesis of Reagan. Obama believes in Big Government, Reagan believed correctly... it is the problem, not the solution.
    I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you, just pointing out a flaw in your argument.

    This was not my point. I was pointing out that, if everything Reagan did was godly, and if he's the antithesis of Obama, and if all Obama has to do to get the nation's support is to go further in his direction... then why did Reagan have a lower approval rating at the same point in his term.

    I'd say FDR was much more of an economic antithesis to Reagan than Obama is. Look at the tax increases during his presidency, and Executive Order 9250 (which taxed income at 100% for incomes over $25,000, effectively creating a pay limit), and it becomes clear that Roosevelt's tax policy was significantly more anti-Reagan than Obama sorta/kinda pretending to want to let the top income tax rate increase by under 5% (back to where Clinton had them), but then making a deal with the Republican leadership and preserving the Bush policy. Roosevelt was balls to the wall. Obama is no balls at all(that was lame, someone slap me)

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I don't care what the polls say...
    I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    look at the failure of his policies, look at how he has acted vs. his rhetoric while campaigning. Pure Snake Oil. The midterms illustrated how pissed the people are at his bait and switch. Historic... decisive.
    I agree, and how does any of this show he hasn't continued the policies of the previous administration? I've agreed with you again and again that Obama and the Democrats have lost the approval of both their base, and America at large. They can afford to lose as much of the Republican base as they want, they're not going to get many votes here anyway. What they CAN'T afford to lose is a quarter of their own base.

    Since 2008, when everyone thought he'd be a fighting man; creating healthcare reform that wasn't watered down to the point of non-use, substantial financial reform, fundamentally changing Washington, etc, the independent vote has dropped for him. Why? Probably for the same reason the independents disapproved of Bush, like everyone else in the country, at the end of his second term.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    He has lost a huge portion of the vital independents.


    Quite, though by definition of being "independent" certainly not all 58% who disapprove will vote Republican, neither will all 42% vote Democrat. I do agree though, he is losing the independent vote, but it's not colossally bad. I consider an entire quarter of his voting base saying they don't approve of him significantly more damaging, and the reason he will likely lose in 2012 unless he changes direction.

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