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  • Country/ plot of land should be given to those who claim their ancestors once lived there.

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  • Money should be given to those who claim their ancestors were enslaved,killed, robbed and etc.

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  • Apologies from the government IE the tax payers to the descendants whose ancestors were wronged.

    3 7.89%
  • Ancestral claims have no bearing on today.

    27 71.05%
  • other/I do not know

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    What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    Countries/plots of land should be given to those who claim their ancestors once lived there but land was taken.

    Money should be given to those who claim their ancestors were enslaved,killed, robbed and etc.

    Apologies from the government IE the tax payers to the descendants whose ancestors were wronged.

    Ancestral claims have no bearing on today.

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    I picked "Ancestral claims have no bearing on today." This is basically the principal that you yourself were not wronged so you do not get anything from me or anyone else since we did not wrong you. No reparations, no giving land and no apologies for things that happened a century or two ago.
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    Re: What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    Countries/plots of land should be given to those who claim their ancestors once lived there but land was taken.

    Money should be given to those who claim their ancestors were enslaved,killed, robbed and etc.

    Apologies from the government IE the tax payers to the descendants whose ancestors were wronged.

    Ancestral claims have no bearing on today.

    other/I do not know





    I picked "Ancestral claims have no bearing on today." This is basically the principal that you yourself were not wronged so you do not get anything from me or anyone else since we did not wrong you. No reparations, no giving land and no apologies for things that happened a century or two ago.
    If we gave out land based on ancestral claim, we'd soon run out of land.
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    Re: What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    I tend to agree with you james, but I hate to close the door completely because I don't know if there might not be any circumstance to the contrary. Nevertheless, in general I don't believe in reparations and the giving of stuff to people that are only ancestors of people who were wronged.
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    Re: What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    I think reparations for things done by far past generations are stupid. I don't think there is any harm in admitting we made mistakes(ie slavery) and maybe apologizing that this country made such a mistake, though even that is not needed or really should be a priority. I would not be upset such an apology was made, but I would not push for it. All in all, any such apology would be valueless. Based on that, I voted other in your poll.
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    Re: What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think reparations for things done by far past generations are stupid. I don't think there is any harm in admitting we made mistakes(ie slavery) and maybe apologizing that this country made such a mistake, though even that is not needed or really should be a priority. I would not be upset such an apology was made, but I would not push for it. All in all, any such apology would be valueless. Based on that, I voted other in your poll.
    You have to remember that apologies are an aknowledgement of guilt, which is were a claim of liability can be laid.
    Have to be careful with those things.
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    Re: What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    Countries/plots of land should be given to those who claim their ancestors once lived there but land was taken.

    Money should be given to those who claim their ancestors were enslaved,killed, robbed and etc.

    Apologies from the government IE the tax payers to the descendants whose ancestors were wronged.

    Ancestral claims have no bearing on today.

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    I picked "Ancestral claims have no bearing on today." This is basically the principal that you yourself were not wronged so you do not get anything from me or anyone else since we did not wrong you. No reparations, no giving land and no apologies for things that happened a century or two ago.
    Ehh...depends on what group we're talking about. If we're talking about Native Americans whose land was taken, yes, the US government should continue to uphold its agreements with those tribes which preserves their autonomy. Assuming they don't want to be a part of our country, they should be allowed to retain most of their independence, since they were here first.
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    Re: What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You have to remember that apologies are an aknowledgement of guilt, which is were a claim of liability can be laid.
    Have to be careful with those things.
    That's just stupid.
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    Re: What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You have to remember that apologies are an aknowledgement of guilt, which is were a claim of liability can be laid.
    Have to be careful with those things.
    Liable to who? There is no one alive who was a slave in the US. There is no American Indian alive whose land we took. I could maybe see in the case of those interred during WW@, but no one is around to claim any reparations.
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    Re: What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You have to remember that apologies are an aknowledgement of guilt, which is were a claim of liability can be laid.
    Have to be careful with those things.
    Not really, the gov can issue an official apology without having to give any kind of land. Because the country can't deny that we are guilty of these things, but an apology would be acknowledging the mistake and moving past it. Though I wouldn't push for an apology, I wouldn't be upset about it.

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    Re: What should be given because of ancestral claims?

    I think Native Americans should be allowed to run their reservations as sovereign territory (most local, state-wide, and national laws do not apply) and that Native Americans and their descendants should not have to pay any federal personal income tax.

    I'm only for reparations for Native Americans, as the American government has had a horrible history of making and breaking treaties with the Native Americans. While the current government hasn't done anything to the Native Americans, our government has, and has broken many treaties that Native American tribes have signed in good faith, which were broken by administrations so that European-Americans could benefit. This is wealth denied to those Native Americans families who could have invested that wealth and build it up over the generations. Thus why I feel they would be justified in getting reparations of some kind.

    I think having better sovereignty over their land and no need to pay federal personal income tax would be the best way to provide reparations to them. Thus, we don't need to give them any land nor any money, but rather just allow them to keep more of the wealth they earn and to treat their lands as more independent territory so they can live as they wish.

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