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Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

  • Yes, they should be allowed to demand a traditional Christian moral code from all teachers

    Votes: 25 35.7%

  • They should be allowed if they prove they apply the same standards to all teachers

    Votes: 3 4.3%

  • They should be allowed, but that doesn't make it right

    Votes: 19 27.1%

  • They are discriminating against women, since fornication is more obvious with them

    Votes: 3 4.3%

  • If the school board members can prove they never fornicated, then they stand on solid ground

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Christian schools should not be allowed to discriminate on moral grounds

    Votes: 9 12.9%

  • Christians are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the face of the Earth!

    Votes: 5 7.1%

  • Other response

    Votes: 4 5.7%
  • Total voters
    70
jallman said:
Yes, it most certainly is. And you don't know what's actually in play until you read the briefs and depositions filed in the actual suit, which hasn't happened yet. Going from the FACTS listed in the article, the school

A) Only loosely mentioned this "moral code" and it doesn't appear to be in any kind of documentation.
B) Attempted to enforce a religious morality into the private life of this teacher
C) Made a conveniently timely decision to terminate her after her marriage and just before her attempt to take medical leave

All of these things add up to hostility, violation of religious freedoms and lacking clean hands in the firing process.

The school will pay and when they do, you will be a platinum contributor to DP.
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This reply answers not one of my questions or facts put to you.

If you are going to ignore my post, then don’t bother to respond, it is a waist of time for both of us.

I guess we are done.
 
Perhaps the administration should have asked, What would Jesus Do? If they feel that Jesus would have fired her, then they do not understand HIS TEACHINGS.
If she had made a big deal out of it in front of the students, I would have fired her myself, but this is not the case.
The issue here is not so much do they have a legal leg to stand on, but a moral leg. So she sinned, is casting her out the proper response?

Those hypocrites probably won't even let the child attend their school when it comes of age. Generations of Christians have abused the word bastard, placing blame on the child. Ann Landers said it best, there is no such thing as an illegitimate child, onlly illegitimate parents...
 
Blackdog said:
This reply answers not one of my questions or facts put to you.

If you are going to ignore my post, then don’t bother to respond, it is a waist of time for both of us.

I guess we are done.
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I did respond. You just don't like the answer. That's your problem, not mine.
 
UtahBill said:
Perhaps the administration should have asked, What would Jesus Do? If they feel that Jesus would have fired her, then they do not understand HIS TEACHINGS.
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Weren't you just telling me judge not lest you be judged? Or was it he who is without sin?

Your hypocrisy is quite noticeable.

UtahBill said:
If she had made a big deal out of it in front of the students, I would have fired her myself, but this is not the case.
The issue here is not so much do they have a legal leg to stand on, but a moral leg. So she sinned, is casting her out the proper response?
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I don't know, I tend to agree with you on this as I don't think they should have. The school on the other hand has a standard to uphold they say she was aware of. So this whole moral argument is just speculation.

UtahBill said:
Those hypocrites probably won't even let the child attend their school when it comes of age.
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How forgiving of you.

UtahBill said:
Generations of Christians have abused the word bastard, placing blame on the child. Ann Landers said it best, there is no such thing as an illegitimate child, onlly illegitimate parents...
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And this is somehow relevant?
 
jallman said:
I did respond. You just don't like the answer. That's your problem, not mine.
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You are correct, your non-answer is a problem.

So as I said you have a good one Jall.
 
jallman said:
Sure. Hope the wind is cool on your face as you retreat at a brisk pace.
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No need to retreat as I won at the Internets! Loser. :mrgreen:
 
Blackdog said:
No need to retreat as I won at the Internets! Loser. :mrgreen:
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You can have the internetz. Just make sure you save enough of it to pay for a platinum membership when this is all over. :D
 
jallman said:
You can have the internetz. Just make sure you save enough of it to pay for a platinum membership when this is all over. :D
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Oh yea, I am looking forward to my pristine new glistening Platinum donation. ;)

Of course in a few years you will have to remind me.
 
Blackdog said:
Weren't you just telling me judge not lest you be judged? Or was it he who is without sin?

Your hypocrisy is quite noticeable.



I don't know, I tend to agree with you on this as I don't think they should have. The school on the other hand has a standard to uphold they say she was aware of. So this whole moral argument is just speculation.



How forgiving of you.



And this is somehow relevant?
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I am not the one judging the teacher or supporting the administration, you are. I am pointing out the obvious, that the school administration are hypocrites. They use their own interpretation against the teacher, and ignore the teachings of Christ while doing so. I was raised in the southeast bible belt, I know way too much about how the "holier than thou" segment works. They are little more than a mutual admiration society, just like the popular, but mean, kids at school....
 
UtahBill said:
I am not the one judging the teacher or supporting the administration, you are.
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Exactly, you are judging the administration based on hearsay and speculation. Please point out in what post I said she deserved to be fired? Or did I say that I agree she should not have been fired. :roll:

By the way their is a huge difference between supporting an "administration" and supporting the law.

UtahBill said:
I am pointing out the obvious, that the school administration are hypocrites.
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No. You are jumping on the knee jerk band wagon before anyone knows the full story. You are guilty of exactly what you are accusing them of.

UtahBill said:
They use their own interpretation against the teacher, and ignore the teachings of Christ while doing so.
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I have pointed out scripture to back up what the school did and debunked yours. You then ignored it and went of on something that was irrelivent.

So no, you are again doing EXACTLY what you accuse them of.

UtahBill said:
I was raised in the southeast bible belt, I know way too much about how the "holier than thou" segment works. They are little more than a mutual admiration society, just like the popular, but mean, kids at school....
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And here we go again with nothing about nothing. :doh
 
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Blackdog said:
Exactly, you are judging the administration based on hearsay and speculation. Please point out in what post I said she deserved to be fired? Or did I say that I agree she should not have been fired. :roll:

By the way their is a huge difference between supporting an "administration" and supporting the law.



No. You are jumping on the knee jerk band wagon before anyone knows the full story. You are guilty of exactly what you are accusing them of.



I have pointed out scripture to back up what the school did and debunked yours. You then ignored it and went of on something that was irrelivent.

So no, you are again doing EXACTLY what you accuse them of.



And here we go again with nothing about nothing. :doh
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You debunked nothing. The words of Christ trump anything else you find in the bible that say otherwise. How can you debunk actual words of Christ? Lots of religious fanatics ignore the actual words of Christ in favor of some obscure writer in the OT or for what Paul has to say. They are more Paulist than Christian.
This whole thread is about judging the administration for how they judged the teacher, as in " judge not lest ye be judged".
 
UtahBill said:
You debunked nothing. The words of Christ trump anything else you find in the bible that say otherwise.
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Did you even bother to read what I posted? Who words do you think I used?

UtahBill said:
How can you debunk actual words of Christ? Lots of religious fanatics ignore the actual words of Christ in favor of some obscure writer in the OT or for what Paul has to say.
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Again I pointed out your misunderstanding of scripture using Christ’s own words and the backing of most other theologians who agree.

I guess they are just fanatics as well?

I guess Paul was also just a fanatic? Although I did not mention him at all anyway.

UtahBill said:
They are more Paulist than Christian.
This whole thread is about judging the administration for how they judged the teacher, as in " judge not lest ye be judged".
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No.

This thread is about an Christian organization that says they fired an employee for disobeying the moral clause of the institution. It is about an employee who says she was fired because she was pregnant.

It has nothing to do with the exaggerations and misunderstanding flowing from your wellspring.
 
Blackdog said:
Did you even bother to read what I posted? Who words do you think I used?



Again I pointed out your misunderstanding of scripture using Christ’s own words and the backing of most other theologians who agree.

I guess they are just fanatics as well?

I guess Paul was also just a fanatic? Although I did not mention him at all anyway.



No.

This thread is about an Christian organization that says they fired an employee for disobeying the moral clause of the institution. It is about an employee who says she was fired because she was pregnant.

It has nothing to do with the exaggerations and misunderstanding flowing from your wellspring.
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Yeah, I read your rants. What expertise do you have about the Bible anyway? Why is YOUR interpretation better than any other?
I don't disagree that they may have the right to fire her, but they shouldn't be calling themselves a christian organization if they go against the teachings of Christ.
Damn hypocrites are everywhere....:2wave:
 
UtahBill said:
Yeah, I read your rants. What expertise do you have about the Bible anyway? Why is YOUR interpretation better than any other?
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In this case it is not my interpretation. It is the agreed upon interpretation by most theologians.

These opponents have a commendable zeal for righteousness, but theirs is a shallow righteousness that shows no concern for the soul of this woman. They are also being rather deceitful. There is no evidence that this law was carried out with any regularity, so they are raising a question in the name of loyalty to Moses, using a part of Moses' teaching that they themselves most likely have not kept. Furthermore, since the law says both the man and the woman who commit adultery are to be killed, we are left wondering why the man was not brought in as well. It may be that he had escaped, but the fact that only the woman is brought raises suspicions and does not speak well of their zeal for the law of Moses; for if they were really committed, they would have brought the man as well. Indeed, the law makes it clear that stoning could only take place after a careful trial, which included the chance for the condemned to confess his or her wrong (m. Sanhedrin 6:1-4). The hypocrisy of the opponents is evident. - John 7 Commentary - Jesus Forgives a Woman Taken in Adultery - BibleGateway.com

You should read the whole thing. It could help in your understanding.

Unless you think they are fanatics as well?

UtahBill said:
I don't disagree that they may have the right to fire her, but they shouldn't be calling themselves a christian organization if they go against the teachings of Christ.
Damn hypocrites are everywhere....:2wave:
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You must cast the board out of your own eye, before telling them about the sliver in theirs.
 
Blackdog said:
In this case it is not my interpretation. It is the agreed upon interpretation by most theologians.

These opponents have a commendable zeal for righteousness, but theirs is a shallow righteousness that shows no concern for the soul of this woman. They are also being rather deceitful. There is no evidence that this law was carried out with any regularity, so they are raising a question in the name of loyalty to Moses, using a part of Moses' teaching that they themselves most likely have not kept. Furthermore, since the law says both the man and the woman who commit adultery are to be killed, we are left wondering why the man was not brought in as well. It may be that he had escaped, but the fact that only the woman is brought raises suspicions and does not speak well of their zeal for the law of Moses; for if they were really committed, they would have brought the man as well. Indeed, the law makes it clear that stoning could only take place after a careful trial, which included the chance for the condemned to confess his or her wrong (m. Sanhedrin 6:1-4). The hypocrisy of the opponents is evident. - John 7 Commentary - Jesus Forgives a Woman Taken in Adultery - BibleGateway.com

You should read the whole thing. It could help in your understanding.

Unless you think they are fanatics as well?



You must cast the board out of your own eye, before telling them about the sliver in theirs.
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Theologians? We don't need no stinking theologians to interpret the bible! NO MAN comes unto the father but by me, so says Christ....No preacher or priest can do it.
Bible study in some churches is self inflicted brain washing...
 
UtahBill said:
Theologians? We don't need no stinking theologians to interpret the bible! NO MAN comes unto the father but by me, so says Christ....No preacher or priest can do it.
Bible study in some churches is self inflicted brain washing...
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Who said they interpret it for anyone else? I said they all agree as do I with the general interpretation.

Then again you know more about it than people who have studied it all their life, so what the heck do we plebes know anyway?
 
Blackdog said:
Who said they interpret it for anyone else? I said they all agree as do I with the general interpretation.

Then again you know more about it than people who have studied it all their life, so what the heck do we plebes know anyway?
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No, I don't know a lot, because I don't sweat the small stuff that theologians dwell on. IMO, the OT has no direct input for determining salvation for Christians, and only parts of the NT. If we can't live what is taught in the 4 gospels, we are wasting time on the rest of the bible.
 
UtahBill said:
No, I don't know a lot, because I don't sweat the small stuff that theologians dwell on. IMO, the OT has no direct input for determining salvation for Christians, and only parts of the NT. If we can't live what is taught in the 4 gospels, we are wasting time on the rest of the bible.
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What does the OT have to do with anything I have said?

We are done here.

Good night and God bless.
 
Blackdog said:
What does the OT have to do with anything I have said?

We are done here.

Good night and God bless.
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IMO, little or nothing, but most christian churches use it a lot considering the primary teachings related to Christianity are in the NT....
 
jamesrage said:
Its a private business so yes they should be able to fire anyone who does something that does not line up with their beliefs.
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Wrong. The right has always had a serious problem keeping their religious beliefs and morals out of politics.

This school is going to lose and go broke paying damages.
 
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