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  • Yes, they should be allowed to demand a traditional Christian moral code from all teachers

    40 41.24%
  • They should be allowed if they prove they apply the same standards to all teachers

    4 4.12%
  • They should be allowed, but that doesn't make it right

    22 22.68%
  • They are discriminating against women, since fornication is more obvious with them

    3 3.09%
  • If the school board members can prove they never fornicated, then they stand on solid ground

    3 3.09%
  • Christian schools should not be allowed to discriminate on moral grounds

    11 11.34%
  • Christians are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the face of the Earth!

    8 8.25%
  • Other response

    6 6.19%
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Wow glad I don't live in Dallas then. In my town I haven't been to a bar yet that doesn't allow smoking.
    I can understand it in restaurants but a bar?

    I'm an x smoker and I love the **** out of the stuff but I'm not a smoking nazi like so many x smokers turn into.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I disagree. Florida is an at will state. Read post #32 for details: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058796402
    Read it already and disagree with your analysis of what "at will" actually means.

    Her lawyers are going to go the "hostile work environment" and/or discrimination route. This firing will never stand up to court scrutiny and this school is going to be paying some heavy damages if they don't settle with her first. Either way, she is gonna make a mint off this, "at will" or not.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well just to start her right to privacy. The school is trying to step into her bedroom.
    She gave up any right to privacy when she told the school the conception was before they got married. So no reasonable "right to privacy" can be expected.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Read it already and disagree with your analysis of what "at will" actually means.

    Her lawyers are going to go the "hostile work environment" and/or discrimination route. This firing will never stand up to court scrutiny and this school is going to be paying some heavy damages if they don't settle with her first. Either way, she is gonna make a mint off this, "at will" or not.
    I would be willing to bet a platinum membership it will not hold up.

    PS That is not my "analysis" it is from the State Of Florida's own web site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    It's not like cults care. The only reason they have these so called "ethics" is to keep members in line and make them easier to control. Cults tend to restrict behavior which expresses human emotion and individualism, since it tends to distract from serving the organization. It's a rule for cults, all cults have ethics codes like this which have nothing to do with any actual human ethics, Scientology, Fundamentalism, you name it - they're really all the same.
    Strange definition of what a "cult" is.

    They are not trying to control anyone. It is understood with any Christian org that certain morals be upheld or be fired. I mean would a Christian school want a Muslim teaching? Of course not. A Muslim school would not want a Christian teacher. Being a private organization makes them allot of things, but a cult??? That is laughable at best.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Would it be a violation of her individual rights if they didn't fire her? Because as an individual she agreed to the terms of her employment. If they were to ignore that then they would be dishonoring her rights as an individual by not holding her to a contract that she agreed to. The school is justified, she chose to do what she did and chose to terminate her employment.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    3 lousy weeks, surely she could have lied a bit? It's easy for a baby to be that much premature.
    One of ours was 3 weeks early, the other about a week. Can't be positive about the second one, but for the first, I know exactly when I got back from Vietnam. If he ain't a preemie, I ain't his daddy....
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    3 lousy weeks, surely she could have lied a bit? It's easy for a baby to be that much premature.
    One of ours was 3 weeks early, the other about a week. Can't be positive about the second one, but for the first, I know exactly when I got back from Vietnam. If he ain't a preemie, I ain't his daddy....
    She could have, but that would have been on her as a Christian. She did the right thing. I think the school could have shown a little of Christs forgiveness but that is just me.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    She said when asked, she admitted that the baby was conceived three weeks before the wedding. A week later, she said the school fired her. Attorney Ed Gay is helping Hamilton sue the school, claiming that her termination amounts to discrimination based on her pregnancy and marital status.

    "If they're going to single her out because she conceived prior to marriage, but allow people to remain employed who conceived during a marriage, isn't that discriminating against her based on her marital status?" asked Gay, according to MyFoxOrlando.com.

    Officially, as a private institution they have the right to fire her if she does not meet whatever standards they set, as long as those standards are universally applied to everyone.

    Personally.... well, I am one of those right-wing extremist, conservative Christian fundies so many of you love to hate... and I think this was a bit harsh. If she had remained unmarried and expressed no intention to marry the father, then they would have had more reasonable justification: her continued presence as an unwed mother would have been an example contrary to biblical teachings, in a person the children would look at as a authority figure. But, she and the babydaddy DID get married... so it was more of a "temporary irregularity"... and there are a good many of those sort of "temporary irregularities" among even the Faithful.

    I think they should have let it go, under the circumstances.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The business owners are individuals too. You do not stop being a person or an individual just because you own a business. Besides that the lady in question does not own the school and she signed on to adhere to the school standards when she got employed there. Should Hooters be forced to hire fat flat chested fat women and men to waitresses and waiters?
    Actually, you're arguments are incorrect - but they come to the correct conclusion. A religious school is NOT an individual; but a 501(c)(3) and must adhere to the laws as described for such institutions - both federal and state.

    NOW - with the school being part of a religious institution - it should be excepted from discrimination in employment. Therefore, they can fire her for not fulfilling a religious role.

    And Hooters gets a VERY, VERY, VERY special exemption called a Bone Fide Occupational Qualification - but only for their servers and bartenders. In other words, they can't say - fire a female kitchen employee or manager because she doesn't look good in orange shorts.

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