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  • Yes, they should be allowed to demand a traditional Christian moral code from all teachers

    40 41.24%
  • They should be allowed if they prove they apply the same standards to all teachers

    4 4.12%
  • They should be allowed, but that doesn't make it right

    22 22.68%
  • They are discriminating against women, since fornication is more obvious with them

    3 3.09%
  • If the school board members can prove they never fornicated, then they stand on solid ground

    3 3.09%
  • Christian schools should not be allowed to discriminate on moral grounds

    11 11.34%
  • Christians are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the face of the Earth!

    8 8.25%
  • Other response

    6 6.19%
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    I think it's a real shame that they did this. The woman slipped up and didn't abort her baby to hide the fact that she did have sexual intercourse before her marriage, while she was engaged. The school decided to confront her about that and nitpick the rules as an excuse to fire her. I think they did it because it's a pain in the ass to grant maternity leave. I think they are hypocrites and I hope the PR backlash from this hurts them. They are poor excuses for Christians. I'll bet most of the people working there have fornicated at one time or another.

    So yes, the school probably has the right to use their moral clause as an excuse to can someone, but that doesn't make it right.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Some contracts are illegal and or not supportable in a court of law.
    In Florida, employees are presumed to be "at will." At-will employees may be terminated for any reason, so long as it's not illegal. Generally, employees who work under an employment contract can only be terminated for reasons specified in the contract. In Florida, it is very difficult to overcome the at-will presumption.

    Employers are not allowed to terminate or discriminate against employees for the following reasons:

    •Age
    •Race
    •Sex
    •Religion
    •National origin
    •Disability
    •Pregnancy
    It's illegal for an employer to consider these characteristics with regard to:

    •Promotions
    •Job assignments
    •Termination
    •Wages
    And it's illegal for an employer to terminate an employee:
    •For refusing to break a law
    •In retaliation for filing a discrimination or safety claim
    •For taking leave under the Family and Medical Leave Act
    •Without following its own stated procedure or policy
    •For reasons not contained in the employment contract, if one exists

    MyFoxOrlando obtained a letter sent to Hamilton from the school which asked not to return because of "fornication," sex outside of marriage. It also claims that Hamilton knew about the school's moral stance through the employment application process.

    I don’t think she is going to win this as the school did nothing wrong.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In Florida, employees are presumed to be "at will." At-will employees may be terminated for any reason, so long as it's not illegal. Generally, employees who work under an employment contract can only be terminated for reasons specified in the contract. In Florida, it is very difficult to overcome the at-will presumption.

    Employers are not allowed to terminate or discriminate against employees for the following reasons:

    •Age
    •Race
    Sex
    •Religion
    •National origin
    •Disability
    •Pregnancy
    It's illegal for an employer to consider these characteristics with regard to:

    •Promotions
    •Job assignments
    •Termination
    •Wages
    And it's illegal for an employer to terminate an employee:
    •For refusing to break a law
    •In retaliation for filing a discrimination or safety claim
    •For taking leave under the Family and Medical Leave Act
    •Without following its own stated procedure or policy
    •For reasons not contained in the employment contract, if one exists

    MyFoxOrlando obtained a letter sent to Hamilton from the school which asked not to return because of "fornication," sex outside of marriage. It also claims that Hamilton knew about the school's moral stance through the employment application process.

    I don’t think she is going to win this as the school did nothing wrong.

    She had SEX.......

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    She had SEX.......


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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    The thing is... It doesn't matter anything about why she was fired. Doesn't matter if its a christian school or a public school, doesn't matter what the circumstances are. In a right to fire state, such as here in Alabama, you can be fired for ANY reason. Your boss can not like your mustache and fire you for it and it is perfectly legal. Right or wrong, like it or don't, that is just how it is.

    She may get somewhere suing and saying... hey they fired me because I was pregnant. I seriously doubt it though, I think she loses this fight either way.
    Last edited by BamaBrat; 06-09-10 at 12:48 PM.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    LOL my cousin use to date his daughter and Ross Jr. use to live in the house I grew up in.
    So, is that type of contract illegal?
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    If I was her I'd go back and tell them that I had been mistaken. After getting a second opinion, she now knows that conception occurred the day after she was married. I'd like to see some solid proof that can determine the moment she conceived. Three weeks seems like a small enough window for an estimation.

    Hey, guess what, I didn't fornicate after all.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    So, is that type of contract illegal?
    In my opinion yes but I do not play as if I'm a lawyer on the internet only a sex fiend.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    So yes, the school probably has the right to use their moral clause as an excuse to can someone, but that doesn't make it right.
    Well, you and I both know that legal doesn't always mean right, and illegal doesn't always mean wrong. And as bad as I might feel for the teacher, her doing the right thing (which she did in my opinion) is her most important responsibility, and speaks volumes for her character.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    She can't win. It is a private institution and Florida is an "at will" state. You can be fired for any reason at any time, period. The worst that she can do is maybe collect unemployment. The law suit will go no place.

    If she had claimed discrimination, she maybe could have gotten something. Not for this as it was not discriminatory.
    That's not always true. Just because Florida is an "at will" state doesn't mean they don't have to follow certain guidelines when it comes to the treatment, hiring, and termination of their employees. Several things could factor in like hostility of the work environment, whether the same standards are applied to all employees, discrimination, etc.

    I believe strongly in the rights of private businesses but I also believe there are implied contractual obligations on the part of the employer since they are basically soliciting the responsibility of having the strongest hand in a person's livelihood and financial well-being. If you don't want to play by certain rules, then you always have the right to not hire people, too. The responsibility of bearing all the risk in an employment situation should not fall completely on the employeed while the employer gets a pass to exert authority or leverage separation of income capriciously.
    Last edited by jallman; 06-09-10 at 01:10 PM.

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