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  • Yes, they should be allowed to demand a traditional Christian moral code from all teachers

    40 41.24%
  • They should be allowed if they prove they apply the same standards to all teachers

    4 4.12%
  • They should be allowed, but that doesn't make it right

    22 22.68%
  • They are discriminating against women, since fornication is more obvious with them

    3 3.09%
  • If the school board members can prove they never fornicated, then they stand on solid ground

    3 3.09%
  • Christian schools should not be allowed to discriminate on moral grounds

    11 11.34%
  • Christians are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the face of the Earth!

    8 8.25%
  • Other response

    6 6.19%
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well for one her right to privacy off the clock.

    An employer can no more dictate an individual's diet than they can dictate whom and when they have sex.
    They can if she enters into a voluntary contractual agreement stating that she will adhere to a specific code of conduct in and out of the classroom.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post

    Except when the individual is a business owner right? There is no "right" to be employed, there is, however, the right of a property owner to do with their property whatever they see fit.
    If emissions from your property are destroying my property I will come after you. You have no right to destroy my property just because you see fit to run a cement factory on yours.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    You seem to want to violate the business owners right to do what he wants with his property.
    You seem to be of the misguided belief that a business owner (OR a private property owner) can do any bloody thing with his property he wishes.

    Unfortunately for you, you'd be wrong. Really wrong.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    They can if she enters into a voluntary contractual agreement stating that she will adhere to a specific code of conduct in and out of the classroom.
    No. If the business looked the other way before she became pregnant, they can't then claim it's a problem when she requests maternity leave. That's nothing more than a thinly-veiled excuse to get rid of her so they don't have to pay for the leave to which she is contractually entitled.

    Replace "had premarital sex" with "showed up 5 minutes late a couple times per month." The employer can't just use this as a pretext to fire a pregnant employee, after ignoring it for months or years prior to that.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If emissions from your property are destroying my property I will come after you. You have no right to destroy my property just because you see fit to run a cement factory on yours.
    Except in this instance the property of another was not damaged. You do not have a right to employment.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    You seem to be of the misguided belief that a business owner (OR a private property owner) can do any bloody thing with his property he wishes.

    Unfortunately for you, you'd be wrong. Really wrong.
    So long as it doesn't harm the property of another. The private business owner owes no good or service to anyone.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Except in this instance the property of another was not damaged. You do not have a right to employment.
    I think that's an unfair way to frame it.

    All citizens do have an equal right to employment. They have the right to apply for jobs, to accept jobs, and for those employers to hire absent of discrimination or illegal firings.

    Whether or not this constitutes such a breach is another matter, but that all citizens are entitled to a fair shot at employment most certainly is a right.

    "Pursuit of happiness."

    That's not a reference to emotion. It's a reference to economic rights and freedoms.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No. If the business looked the other way before she became pregnant, they can't then claim it's a problem when she requests maternity leave. That's nothing more than a thinly-veiled excuse to get rid of her so they don't have to pay for the leave to which she is contractually entitled.

    Replace "had premarital sex" with "showed up 5 minutes late a couple times per month." The employer can't just use this as a pretext to fire a pregnant employee, after ignoring it for months or years prior to that.
    No one has the right to employment, the employer owes no good or service to anyone if she violated the voluntary contractual agreement which she entered into with the owner of the business whether she showed up five minutes late when it states clearly in her contract that she must show up on time or if she had sex if it said that she would not, then she violated the contract, it doesn't matter if it is being used as a pretext to deny maternity leave or not, she violated the contract and can be fired. In fact if offering maternity leave was mandated by the state then that in itself is a violation of his rights to begin with. Now if on the other hand she was under no contractual agreement to abstain from sex and was offered maternity leave in the contract then the employer is in violation of the contractual agreement so long as the contract entitled her to a certain length of employment.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    I think that's an unfair way to frame it.

    All citizens do have an equal right to employment. They have the right to apply for jobs, to accept jobs, and for those employers to hire absent of discrimination or illegal firings.

    Whether or not this constitutes such a breach is another matter, but that all citizens are entitled to a fair shot at employment most certainly is a right.

    "Pursuit of happiness."

    That's not a reference to emotion. It's a reference to economic rights and freedoms.
    First of all the "pursuit of happiness" is in the declaration of independence which does not have the force of law and second of all even if it did just like the Constitution it's a piece of paper written by dead men. Each individual is entitled to self ownership and thus has exclusive rights to use and control over their own body and all property created by that body through labour and does not owe any good or service to anyone which they do not voluntarily offer to give.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 06-16-10 at 06:43 AM.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No one has the right to employment, the employer owes no good or service to anyone if she violated the voluntary contractual agreement which she entered into with the owner of the business...
    It's dishonest to assert this as fact, as that's exactly what the court case is meant to address.

    It's also unclear whether or not this was actually in the contract, as the plaintiff has stated she never made such a committment to the school.

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