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  • Yes, they should be allowed to demand a traditional Christian moral code from all teachers

    40 41.24%
  • They should be allowed if they prove they apply the same standards to all teachers

    4 4.12%
  • They should be allowed, but that doesn't make it right

    22 22.68%
  • They are discriminating against women, since fornication is more obvious with them

    3 3.09%
  • If the school board members can prove they never fornicated, then they stand on solid ground

    3 3.09%
  • Christian schools should not be allowed to discriminate on moral grounds

    11 11.34%
  • Christians are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the face of the Earth!

    8 8.25%
  • Other response

    6 6.19%
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Punishment is all fine and well when appropriate. It is not appropriate for an employer to sever employment as a punishment for moral exception he takes to your private life.
    It is for a religious institution that has a moral code that you agree to before hiring.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is for a religious institution that has a moral code that you agree to before hiring.
    I'd be curious to see this "legally binding moral code," especially the part where it says in no uncertain terms "NO PRE-MARITAL SEX or we'll fire your ass."

    Can you provide this document which bears the teacher's notarized signature, to back up your assertion that the school was fully within its rights?

    Or do you have... nothing?

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Well what sense does it make to insist that a school or otherwise religious-nature institution should violate it's own moral-beliefs, which were founded long before this country was, in effort to not offend non-religious people?

    Being pregnant shouldn't be the sole purpose of one's pink slip - but to say that it never is a reason for which women are fired for is blind. It happens all the time - it's just done under "other" circumstances and for "other" reasons.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is for a religious institution that has a moral code that you agree to before hiring.
    I doubt they explicitly banned premarital sex in the handbook...but even if they did, this situation is no different than any other situation where an employee is technically in violation of a rule, but the employer looks the other way while the employee is doing her job well. The employer can't THEN fire her under this pretext when she requests maternity leave. That's a no-no in employment law.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    The schools website has been suspended and is pending renewal or deletion:

    http://www.southlandchristianschool.net/

    and the google on the school:

    Southland Christian School - Google Maps

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    If anything we can see that our constitution and religious 'codes' of morality, etc, often clash . . . in an odd twist together.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Forgiveness has nothing to do with accepting responsibility for your actions and punishment.
    Nothing was wrong with her actions, so no punishment (or forgiveness) would be necessary in the mind of a sane, moral person. Leave it to a fundie cult school to make a "moral" issue out of whether or not a person decides to have a private wedding party with their partner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well what sense does it make to insist that a school or otherwise religious-nature institution
    As opposed to a non-religious institution? What's the difference? (Well, other than the fact that religious institutions are usually way more corrupt).

    An institution can call itself "religious" or otherwise, but it has no right to any special status.

    If a woman could sue Walmart and win, then she should win if she filed the same suit against a "religious institution". If she couldn't win against Walmart, then she can't win against the religious institution.

    Fair's fair.

    should violate it's own moral-beliefs,
    I don't see anything "moral" about their beliefs (anymore than I see something "moral" about Communist China and the Cult of Scientology having similar "social regulations").

    If it's my "moral belief" that pregnant women should be stoned (ex. the Old Testament), then I'm more immoral for sticking true to my perverted belief, than I am for admitting that my belief system is morally ****ed up.

    There's nothing admirable about sticking true to moronic beliefs. It's at best, just stupid (ex. Flat Earth Believers), and at worse (ex. Hitler), downright evil. And I'm being generous in assuming that any of these wackos actually "believe" their own BS anyway. Most of them can't even defend their 'beliefs' without being intellectually dishonest (ex. creationists), so as far as I'm concerned, they don't really believe any of what they spew. They just want to believe it, since it gives them a means to manipulate others.

    which were founded long before this country was,
    Not sure about that actually, since whether or not a couple has a wedding party before they first have sex hasn't ever really been a socially-accepted belief in any mainstream culture on the whole - it has its roots in the aristocratic traditions, but their "marriages" were usually purely political, and they had lovers on the side.

    Throughout history (and still today in many of the world's cultures that don't have actual wedding ceremonies), marriage has been considered the actual act of living with a person in a committed relationship - the wedding party has nothing to do with the actual day-to-day act of marriage, and has nothing to do with commitment (ex. if a guy has a wedding with girl # 1, but has another lover on the side, then he is not married in practice to girl # 1, even he is identified as such in legal paper work, or happened to have had a wedding party with her way back when).

    Marriage is a day-to-day act, not an abstract "status" based on whether or not the couple wanted to have a wedding party. "Religious" institutions like this ignore what marriage actually is, so their beliefs are immoral. They don't exist for moral reasons any more than China's laws against criticizing the govt. exist to "protect people from harmful Western propaganda."

    in effort to not offend non-religious people?
    The majority of Christians (and Buddhists, and Muslims, etc) I know personally would be offended by this. Maybe someone like George Rekers would be offended (if he'd had time in between his sex sessions with his young male lover to read up on it).

    Being pregnant shouldn't be the sole purpose of one's pink slip - but to say that it never is a reason for which women are fired for is blind. It happens all the time - it's just done under "other" circumstances and for "other" reasons.
    Yeah, but are the reasons legit? That's the concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is for a religious institution that has a moral code that you agree to before hiring.
    If a non-religious institution would be allowed to have the same moral code, then I have no problem with it. If not, then the "religious institution" should be held to the same standards as any other institution.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I'd be curious to see this "legally binding moral code," especially the part where it says in no uncertain terms "NO PRE-MARITAL SEX or we'll fire your ass."
    Don't know. All we have is what the articles are saying. I am not stupid enough to support one or the other without evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Can you provide this document which bears the teacher's notarized signature, to back up your assertion that the school was fully within its rights?

    Or do you have... nothing?
    Can you provide evidence of anything other than her accusation? Or the reply from 1 school administrator?

    I mean I guess innocent until proven guilty means nothing to an anti religion lynch squad?

    Cracks me up.

    I am going strictly by the evidence we have available, you are going off emotion and assumption based on an anti religious lean. That's it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I doubt they explicitly banned premarital sex in the handbook...but even if they did, this situation is no different than any other situation where an employee is technically in violation of a rule, but the employer looks the other way while the employee is doing her job well. The employer can't THEN fire her under this pretext when she requests maternity leave. That's a no-no in employment law.
    I agree, but we have no idea why the school did it, None. Everyone if the militant loud mouth atheist or just anti-religion nuts are yelling they are guilty when they have no real evidence other than the word of the employee. Why did it take almost a year to file the suit? Why did she not say something much sooner?

    Fact is people are jumping to stupid biased conclusions on nothing.

    It's also funny how people are yelling no separation of church and unless they agree with what the school is doing. That is the funniest part of all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It's also funny how people are yelling no separation of church and unless they agree with what the school is doing. That is the funniest part of all.
    Separation of church and state doesn't mean religious-affilated groups should get special status (I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case here, but that's basically what you're all for). Even if it was true, and even if she'd have a case to sue Wal-mart for the same reason, you'd still be all for this school having exempt status because it's a "religious" organization.

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