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  • Yes, they should be allowed to demand a traditional Christian moral code from all teachers

    40 41.24%
  • They should be allowed if they prove they apply the same standards to all teachers

    4 4.12%
  • They should be allowed, but that doesn't make it right

    22 22.68%
  • They are discriminating against women, since fornication is more obvious with them

    3 3.09%
  • If the school board members can prove they never fornicated, then they stand on solid ground

    3 3.09%
  • Christian schools should not be allowed to discriminate on moral grounds

    11 11.34%
  • Christians are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the face of the Earth!

    8 8.25%
  • Other response

    6 6.19%
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As long as the organization like the Boy Scouts can legally ban gays from being Scout Masters, and religious organizations can ban people of different faiths, then yes they could.
    Isn't being a scout master a volunteer position not a employment position?

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Many employers have the arrogant belief that they own their employees and can demand anything from them just because they give them a pay check every month. This case is an example of this.

    Any decent labour laws would make a firing like this illegal since it is not the business of an employer how the employee spends his free time, and certainly not who the employee sleeps with.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As long as the organization like the Boy Scouts can legally ban gays from being Scout Masters, and religious organizations can ban people of different faiths, then yes they could.
    No they cannot make signing away religious expression a term of employment. In fact, it is illegal, by federal law, to even ask what holidays an prospective employer celebrates as a means to garner information on that subject. If the candidate brings it up, it's fine to discuss but a prospective employer cannot even approach the subject.

    There is only one exception to this and it's not because it's an exception to federal law but because the information is previously disclosed during their training and ordination: clergy members.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post

    There is only one exception to this and it's not because it's an exception to federal law but because the information is previously disclosed during their training and ordination: clergy members.
    Well also it is the job description. Like being a topless dancer is a job desription.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No they cannot make signing away religious expression a term of employment. In fact, it is illegal, by federal law, to even ask what holidays an prospective employer celebrates as a means to garner information on that subject. If the candidate brings it up, it's fine to discuss but a prospective employer cannot even approach the subject.

    There is only one exception to this and it's not because it's an exception to federal law but because the information is previously disclosed during their training and ordination: clergy members.
    Not true. My wifes company asks you as it is a Christian/Catholic organization. You cannot work their if you are not, period. So yes a private institution can. They can also fire you for breaking the rules. In the mornings they have a mandatory prayer meeting and study. If you don't go or do not lead at least one time a month you can and will be fired, period.

    So yes a private religious organization can.

    PS My wife and most of the employees are not clergy.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not true. My wifes company asks you as it is a Christian/Catholic organization. You cannot work their if you are not, period. So yes a private institution can. They can also fire you for breaking the rules. In the mornings they have a mandatory prayer meeting and study. If you don't go or do not lead at least one time a month you can and will be fired, period.

    So yes a private religious organization can.

    PS My wife and most of the employees are not clergy.
    Is she on the clock during these meetings?

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As long as the organization like the Boy Scouts can legally ban gays from being Scout Masters, and religious organizations can ban people of different faiths, then yes they could.
    That's a fair point.

    It'll be interesting to see how it all comes down.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not true. My wifes company asks you as it is a Christian/Catholic organization. You cannot work their if you are not, period. So yes a private institution can. They can also fire you for breaking the rules. In the mornings they have a mandatory prayer meeting and study. If you don't go or do not lead at least one time a month you can be fired.

    So yes a private religious organization can.
    No they cannot. In fact, if anyone were to raise an issue with it, they would be paying through the nose for forcing it. You cannot forfeit religious freedom as a term of employment. I could maybe see it as a term of hire but no employer can deny one the right to convert or stop practicing religion altogether.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No they cannot. In fact, if anyone were to raise an issue with it, they would be paying through the nose for forcing it. You cannot forfeit religious freedom as a term of employment. I could maybe see it as a term of hire but no employer can deny one the right to convert or stop practicing religion altogether.
    OK I see what you are saying. I mean as in term of employment.

    He asked would it be legal to fire you if it was a term of your employment, so again I say yes they can. It has to be stated in the contract, but other than that I don't see why. If someone working for my wifes company became a Wikkan, they would be fired. No court in the land would say they could not. It would disrupt business and create a very hostile work environment for everyone involved.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    OK I see what you are saying. I mean as in term of employment.

    He asked would it be legal to fire you if it was a term of your employment, so again I say yes they can.
    Well at least you are a good person to agree to disagree with. Peace.

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