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  • Yes, they should be allowed to demand a traditional Christian moral code from all teachers

    40 41.24%
  • They should be allowed if they prove they apply the same standards to all teachers

    4 4.12%
  • They should be allowed, but that doesn't make it right

    22 22.68%
  • They are discriminating against women, since fornication is more obvious with them

    3 3.09%
  • If the school board members can prove they never fornicated, then they stand on solid ground

    3 3.09%
  • Christian schools should not be allowed to discriminate on moral grounds

    11 11.34%
  • Christians are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the face of the Earth!

    8 8.25%
  • Other response

    6 6.19%
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Didn't read the whole thing, so sorry if this is redundant.

    The owners of that school are almost certainly hypocrites, holier-than-thou types. I would bet money they had premarital sex just like the vast majority of Americans do. Hypocritical, judgmental people without Christian forgiveness. This is not a quality lesson they teach.
    This 'forgiveness thing' - if they forgave this teacher (which may or may not be within their belief, not all sects of Christianity believe they can forgive someone for their wrongs. Some believe only a minister or clergy can. Others believe that only God can) - but if they forgave this teacher then what message would they be sending to the students?
    "It's ok to do anything you want, no matter how wrong or immoral, because we'll forgive you" . . .???

    This forgiveness thing, in my opinion, is where religion can be a bit dangerous and misleading.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    For the record, I think this a retarded reason to fire someone.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not wrong.

    She was not fired for being pregnant. She was fired for premarital sex which according to the school is a breach of the moral contract she was shown and agreed to upon hiring.

    She surrendered the information freely as well, so no invasion or privacy either.

    As I said the Florida law does not in any way disagree with the Federal laws.

    Nope... Wrong.

    I gave you the website and link to the federal laws prohibiting this injustice, but here it is a little more specifically for you.

    The Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978

    The terms 'because of sex' or 'on the basis of sex' include, but are not limited to, because of or on the basis of pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical conditions; and women affected by pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical conditions shall be treated the same for all employment-related purposes, including receipt of benefits under fringe benefit programs, as other persons not so affected but similar in their ability or inability to work, and nothing in section 703(h) of this title shall be interpreted to permit otherwise.


    The Pregnancy Discrimination Act

    Pregnancy Discrimination
    Pregnancy discrimination involves treating a woman (an applicant or employee) unfavorably because of pregnancy, childbirth, or a medical condition related to pregnancy or childbirth.

    Pregnancy Discrimination & Work SituationsThe law forbids discrimination when it comes to any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, fringe benefits, such as leave and health insurance, and any other term or condition of employment.


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    Originally Posted by sweEt Mauritius
    I agree with Blackdog, it's not a violation of federal law. She was fired for her violation of the moral code that the school is entitled to make. She was fired for premarital sex only. It's not like they fired her instead of giving her maternity leave, which would be pregnancy-based discrimination. If the school is private and the employee was fully aware of the moral code, then she couldn't have engaged in the prohibited behavior and at the same time expected the school to betray their moral code, which she had knowledge of.

    I don't agree with it certainly, but they had a legal right to fire her.
    Wrong.

    Originally posted by MyOwnDrum
    I think the pregnancy only clued the school into the possibility that the woman had premarital sex. She admitted to it when they asked. So she was fired for the premarital sex, not the pregnancy.
    I agreee, but that is still illegal.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    But the thing is that they most surely violated that same moral code themselves.
    That just makes them hypocrites, it doesn't make their professed moral code invalid.

    Everyone has been, is, or will be a hypocrite.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Sure it is. The lesson they teach is that pre-marital sex is against the moral code they believe in.
    Great. But it is still Illegal to fire a person because of pre-maritial sex.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    I don't agree that the cause was just and I hope the people who made that decision burn in hell but... they can hire and fire whoever the hell they want. This is America dammit.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    But the thing is that they most surely violated that same moral code themselves.
    Ah, but they had no visible evidence in the form of a pregnancy!

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Nope... Wrong.

    I gave you the website and link to the federal laws prohibiting this injustice, but here it is a little more specifically for you.

    The Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978

    The terms 'because of sex' or 'on the basis of sex' include, but are not limited to, because of or on the basis of pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical conditions; and women affected by pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical conditions shall be treated the same for all employment-related purposes, including receipt of benefits under fringe benefit programs, as other persons not so affected but similar in their ability or inability to work, and nothing in section 703(h) of this title shall be interpreted to permit otherwise.


    The Pregnancy Discrimination Act

    Pregnancy Discrimination
    Pregnancy discrimination involves treating a woman (an applicant or employee) unfavorably because of pregnancy, childbirth, or a medical condition related to pregnancy or childbirth.

    Pregnancy Discrimination & Work SituationsThe law forbids discrimination when it comes to any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, fringe benefits, such as leave and health insurance, and any other term or condition of employment.


    Pregnancy Discrimination




    Wrong.



    I agree, but that is still illegal.
    No, it's not.

    Those tidbits of info only show that it is illegal to treat a woman differently from another employee because of pregnancy.

    As has been stated, this woman was fired because her application for maternity leave clued in the school staff to her potential premarital sexual acts - They asked her about such, and she informed them that she had, indeed, had premarital sex...Whereupon they fired her.

    Obviously, this action does not fall under the quoted laws, as nowhere in those laws (as you posted) does it list "discrimination because of sexual acts" as an unacceptable reason for employee termination.

    Perfectly legal, if unreasonable in my book.

    As an example, it would also be legal for them to fire this woman if she was not pregnant - But they learned of her premarital sex.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    This 'forgiveness thing' - if they forgave this teacher (which may or may not be within their belief, not all sects of Christianity believe they can forgive someone for their wrongs. Some believe only a minister or clergy can. Others believe that only God can) - but if they forgave this teacher then what message would they be sending to the students?
    "It's ok to do anything you want, no matter how wrong or immoral, because we'll forgive you" . . .???

    This forgiveness thing, in my opinion, is where religion can be a bit dangerous and misleading.


    I always find the moralists on this particular subject silly. See, almost all of them had premarital sex, just like almost all of us here on this thread and everywhere else in the world.

    Before somebody here says it isn't right just because everybody else does it, I'll just say it is normal. It's what we do. We have a sex drive, and we act on it. Make it morally wrong if you want to (not you personally, necessarily), but it is the normal way humans behave.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That just makes them hypocrites, it doesn't make their professed moral code invalid.

    Everyone has been, is, or will be a hypocrite.
    It makes that code a lie for them personally, and for just about all of the rest of us.
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